linux-kernel - Re: Reading large amounts from /dev/urandom broken

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:	Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:39:25 -0700
From:	Alex Elsayed <eternaleye@...il.com>
To:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Reading large amounts from /dev/urandom broken

Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote:

> On Mi, 2014-07-23 at 11:14 -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 04:52:21PM +0300, Andrey Utkin wrote:
>> > Dear developers, please check bugzilla ticket
>> > https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80981 (not the initial
>> > issue, but starting with comment#3.
>> > 
>> > Reading from /dev/urandom gives EOF after 33554431 bytes.  I believe
>> > it is introduced by commit 79a8468747c5f95ed3d5ce8376a3e82e0c5857fc,
>> > with the chunk
>> > 
>> > nbytes = min_t(size_t, nbytes, INT_MAX >> (ENTROPY_SHIFT + 3));
>> > 
>> > which is described in commit message as "additional paranoia check to
>> > prevent overly large count values to be passed into urandom_read()".
>> > 
>> > I don't know why people pull such large amounts of data from urandom,
>> > but given today there are two bugreports regarding problems doing
>> > that, i consider that this is practiced.
>> 
>> I've inquired on the bugzilla why the reporter is abusing urandom in
>> this way.  The other commenter on the bug replicated the problem, but
>> that's not a "second bug report" in my book.
>> 
>> At the very least, this will probably cause me to insert a warning
>> printk: "insane user of /dev/urandom: [current->comm] requested %d
>> bytes" whenever someone tries to request more than 4k.
> 
> Ok, I would be fine with that.
> 
> The dd if=/dev/urandom of=random_file.dat seems reasonable to me to try
> to not break it. But, of course, there are other possibilities.

Personally, I'd say that _is_ insane - reading from urandom still consumes 
entropy (causing readers of /dev/random to block more often); when 
alternatives (such as dd'ing to dm-crypt) both avoid the issue _and_ are 
faster then it should very well be considered pathological.

--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/