Date:	Thu, 14 Aug 2014 07:39:25 +0300
From:	Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@....fi>
To:	Jacek Anaszewski <j.anaszewski@...sung.com>,
	Bryan Wu <cooloney@...il.com>,
	Richard Purdie <rpurdie@...ys.net>
Cc:	linux-leds@...r.kernel.org, devicetree@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-media@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	kyungmin.park@...sung.com, b.zolnierkie@...sung.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC v4 06/21] leds: add API for setting torch brightness

Bryan and Richard,

Your opinion would be much appreciated to a question myself and Jacek were
pondering. Please see below.

On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 03:12:09PM +0200, Jacek Anaszewski wrote:
> Hi Sakari,
> 
> On 08/04/2014 02:50 PM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> >Hi Jacek,
> >
> >Thank you for your continued efforts on this!
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 02:35:26PM +0200, Jacek Anaszewski wrote:
> >>On 07/16/2014 11:54 PM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> >>>Hi Jacek,
> >>>
> >>>Jacek Anaszewski wrote:
> >>>...
> >>>>diff --git a/include/linux/leds.h b/include/linux/leds.h
> >>>>index 1a130cc..9bea9e6 100644
> >>>>--- a/include/linux/leds.h
> >>>>+++ b/include/linux/leds.h
> >>>>@@ -44,11 +44,21 @@ struct led_classdev {
> >>>>  #define LED_BLINK_ONESHOT_STOP    (1 << 18)
> >>>>  #define LED_BLINK_INVERT    (1 << 19)
> >>>>  #define LED_SYSFS_LOCK        (1 << 20)
> >>>>+#define LED_DEV_CAP_TORCH    (1 << 21)
> >>>>
> >>>>      /* Set LED brightness level */
> >>>>      /* Must not sleep, use a workqueue if needed */
> >>>>      void        (*brightness_set)(struct led_classdev *led_cdev,
> >>>>                        enum led_brightness brightness);
> >>>>+    /*
> >>>>+     * Set LED brightness immediately - it is required for flash led
> >>>>+     * devices as they require setting torch brightness to have
> >>>>immediate
> >>>>+     * effect. brightness_set op cannot be used for this purpose because
> >>>>+     * the led drivers schedule a work queue task in it to allow for
> >>>>+     * being called from led-triggers, i.e. from the timer irq context.
> >>>>+     */
> >>>
> >>>Do we need to classify actual devices based on this? I think it's rather
> >>>a different API behaviour between the LED and the V4L2 APIs.
> >>>
> >>>On devices that are slow to control, the behaviour should be asynchronous
> >>>over the LED API and synchronous when accessed through the V4L2 API. How
> >>>about implementing the work queue, as I have suggested, in the
> >>>framework, so
> >>>that individual drivers don't need to care about this and just implement
> >>>the
> >>>synchronous variant of this op? A flag could be added to distinguish
> >>>devices
> >>>that are fast so that the work queue isn't needed.
> >>>
> >>>It'd be nice to avoid individual drivers having to implement multiple
> >>>ops to
> >>>do the same thing, just for differing user space interfacs.
> >>>
> >>
> >>It is not only the matter of a device controller speed. If a flash
> >>device is to be made accessible from the LED subsystem, then it
> >>should be also compatible with led-triggers. Some of led-triggers
> >>call brightness_set op from the timer irq context and thus no
> >>locking in the callback can occur. This requirement cannot be
> >>met i.e. if i2c bus is to be used. This is probably the primary
> >>reason for scheduling work queue tasks in brightness_set op.
> >>
> >>Having the above in mind, setting a brightness in a work queue
> >>task must be possible for all LED Class Flash drivers, regardless
> >>whether related devices have fast or slow controller.
> >>
> >>Let's recap the cost of possible solutions then:
> >>
> >>1) Moving the work queues to the LED framework
> >>
> >>   - it would probably require extending led_set_brightness and
> >>     __led_set_brightness functions by a parameter indicating whether it
> >>     should call brightness_set op in the work queue task or directly;
> >>   - all existing triggers would have to be updated accordingly;
> >>   - work queues would have to be removed from all the LED drivers;
> >>
> >>2) adding led_set_torch_brightness API
> >>
> >>   - no modifications in existing drivers and triggers would be required
> >>   - instead, only the modifications from the discussed patch would
> >>     be required
> >>
> >>Solution 1 looks cleaner but requires much more modifications.
> >
> >How about a combination of the two, i.e. option 1 with the old op remaining
> >there for compatibility with the old drivers (with a comment telling it's
> >deprecated)?
> >
> >This way new drivers will benefit from having to implement this just once,
> >and modifications to the existing drivers could be left for later.
> 
> It's OK for me, but the opinion from the LED side guys is needed here
> as well.

Ping.

> >The downside is that any old drivers wouldn't get V4L2 flash API but that's
> >entirely acceptable in my opinion since these would hardly be needed in use
> >cases that would benefit from V4L2 flash API.
> 
> In the version 4 of the patch set I changed the implementation, so that
> a flash led driver must call led_classdev_flash_register to get
> registered as a LED Flash Class device and v4l2_flash_init to get
> V4L2 Flash API. In effect old drivers will have no chance to get V4L2
> Flash API either way.

-- 
Kind regards,

Sakari Ailus
e-mail: sakari.ailus@....fi	XMPP: sailus@...iisi.org.uk
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