linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] Revert "cfg80211: make WEXT compatibility unselectable"

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Date:	Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:22:47 -0800 (PST)
From:	David Lang <david@...g.hm>
To:	Arend van Spriel <arend@...adcom.com>
cc:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@...e.cz>,
	"Grumbach, Emmanuel" <emmanuel.grumbach@...el.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
	"linux-wireless@...r.kernel.org" <linux-wireless@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"egrumbach@...il.com" <egrumbach@...il.com>,
	"peter@...leysoftware.com" <peter@...leysoftware.com>,
	"ilw@...ux.intel.com" <ilw@...ux.intel.com>,
	"Berg, Johannes" <johannes.berg@...el.com>,
	Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@...inger.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Revert "cfg80211: make WEXT compatibility
 unselectable"

On Wed, 31 Dec 2014, Arend van Spriel wrote:

> On 12/31/14 22:57, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Theodore Ts'o<tytso@....edu>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, the confusing part is that "ip" tends to use "verb object"
>>> scheme, which is consistent with the Cisco IOS command set it was
>>> trying to emulate.
>> 
>> Side note: does anybody think that was really a good idea to begin
>> with? I mean, Cisco iOS is just _soooo_ universally loved, right?
>
> I think I sense a bit cynical (under)tone here ;-)
>
>> And yeah, I refuse to use "ip link" or other insane commands. Let's
>> face it, "ifconfig" and "route" are perfectly fine commands, and a
>> whole lot less confusing than "ip" with random crap after it.  I'm
>> really not seeing why that "ip" command was seen as an improvement.
>
> So does "ip" provide the same functionality as "ifconfig" and "route" or does 
> the package have more to offer.

there are things that you can do with "ip" that you can't do with "ifconfig", 
but they tend to be rather esoteric things (hundreds of IP addresses on "eth0" 
without using eth0:1, eth0:2, etc as one example)

The trouble is that doing simple things is harder with "ip" than "ifconfig"

David Lang

> The "iw" tool provides much more subcommands to perform different wireless 
> tasks that are not provided by "iwconfig" and friends. So functionally "iw" 
> provides a superset. Just have to get equivalent output format to mimic 
> "iwconfig" as Ted suggested.
>
> Well, that's something for next year as we are getting close to midnight over 
> here.
>
> Regards,
> Arend
>
>> (Ok, "ip route" isn't any more complex than "route", but "ip link"
>> sure as hell isn't simpler than "ifconfig" for most things I can think
>> of)
>>
>>                       Linus
>
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