linux-kernel - Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1

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Date:	Wed, 15 Apr 2015 13:55:15 +0100
From:	Al Viro <viro@...IV.linux.org.uk>
To:	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
Cc:	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@...e.cz>, Borislav Petkov <bp@...en8.de>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
	Tom Gundersen <teg@...m.no>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Daniel Mack <daniel@...que.org>,
	David Herrmann <dh.herrmann@...il.com>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@...ndz.org>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] kdbus for 4.1-rc1

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 01:49:36PM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > There is no comparison between the elegance of X11 property setting and a
> > chunk of proposed kernel code that is half the size of a tiny X server!
> 
> Hey, take that up with Havoc, he made the comparison :)

Let me get it straight - you swing the reference to his posting as damn nearly
the main argument, and yet you make _this_ reply when it gets questioned?
Seriously?

There's nothing wrong with "go read $PAPER, a lot of your questions are
addressed there", but only if you are ready to answer the questions and
objections from those who have read it.  "Hey, take that up with
$AUTHOR" doesn't cut it; try anything even remotely similar with e.g.
reviewers of academic paper and see where it ends up.

Havoc isn't submitting that thing; you are.  If you are not qualified to
defend your design and he is, try to talk him into doing that.

Frankly, the longer it goes, the less I like the picture.  It will be up to
Linus, of course, but IMO the whole situation seriously stinks. ;-/
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