linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v4 00/24] ILP32 for ARM64

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Date:	Thu, 16 Apr 2015 12:03:26 +0100
From:	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>
To:	Alexander Graf <agraf@...e.de>
Cc:	"Dr. Philipp Tomsich" <philipp.tomsich@...obroma-systems.com>,
	Andreas Kraschitzer <andreas.kraschitzer@...obroma-systems.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
	"Pinski, Andrew" <Andrew.Pinski@...iumnetworks.com>,
	Andreas Schwab <schwab@...e.de>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Pinski <apinski@...ium.com>,
	Kumar Sankaran <ksankaran@....com>,
	Benedikt Huber <benedikt.huber@...obroma-systems.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org,
	Christoph Muellner <christoph.muellner@...obroma-systems.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/24] ILP32 for ARM64

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 12:25:36AM +0200, Alexander Graf wrote:
> We've just started to bootstrap openSUSE for ILP32 with the non-final
> abi. However, keep in mind that at least for us bootstrapping is a
> manual process. So changing syscall numbers means we'll need to go
> through the manual process again.
> 
> So if you need any help on getting you an environment that allows you to
> build LTP with whatever syscall abi people come up with, feel free to
> poke Andreas or me.

Thanks for the offer. It's great to see a full distro being built (even
though no commitment).

But I'm a bit worried that people started using these patches and we
haven't agreed on the ABI yet (well, for a while we thought that the x32
approach was fine until I've seen objections from others).

Maybe a quick poll on the options, ignoring syscall number details (we
go for the generic ones) or syscall tables sharing:

a) AArch32-like ILP32 ABI, 32-bit time_t, 32-bit __kernel_long_t
   (POSIX-compliant)
b) Future-proof ILP32 ABI, 64-bit time_t, 32-bit __kernel_long_t (as
   seen by the user) (POSIX-compliant)
c) LP64-like ILP32 ABI, 64-bit time_t, 64-bit __kernel_long_t
   (non-POSIX-compliant)

Option (a) is the easiest from the kernel perspective and has the
highest chance of not breaking legacy AArch32 applications.

Option (b) is more future looking (beyond 2038) but it introduces a
third ABI in the kernel (incompatible with both compat and native).
There is also a risk that legacy applications assume a 32-bit time_t.

Option (c) is pretty much what we currently have in these patches. While
many syscalls are native LP64, it doesn't fully solve pointers in
structures shared between user and kernel (ioctl being one of the
affected areas)

I can't tell how bad the impact of non-POSIX compliance is. If this is
essential, between (a) and (b) I'm more in favour of (a) as the easiest
for both kernel and user. If we were to start a new ABI from scratch
without legacy applications, I would have definitely gone for (b) but
I'm worried about legacy applications still not fully working with this
option while adding more maintenance burden in the kernel.

-- 
Catalin
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