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Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 18:02:42 -0400 From: Waiman Long <waiman.long@...com> To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@...e.de> CC: Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, Nathan Zimmer <nzimmer@....com>, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@...el.com>, Scott Norton <scott.norton@...com>, Daniel J Blueman <daniel@...ascale.com>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@...ck.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org> Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/13] Parallel struct page initialisation v4 On 04/28/2015 09:16 PM, Waiman Long wrote: > On 04/28/2015 10:36 AM, Mel Gorman wrote: >> The bulk of the changes here are related to Andrew's feedback. >> Functionally >> there is almost no difference. >> >> Changelog since v3 >> o Fix section-related warning >> o Comments, clarifications, checkpatch >> o Report the number of pages initialised >> >> Changelog since v2 >> o Reduce overhead of topology_init >> o Remove boot-time kernel parameter to enable/disable >> o Enable on UMA >> >> Changelog since v1 >> o Always initialise low zones >> o Typo corrections >> o Rename parallel mem init to parallel struct page init >> o Rebase to 4.0 >> >> Struct page initialisation had been identified as one of the reasons why >> large machines take a long time to boot. Patches were posted a long >> time ago >> to defer initialisation until they were first used. This was >> rejected on >> the grounds it should not be necessary to hurt the fast paths. This >> series >> reuses much of the work from that time but defers the initialisation of >> memory to kswapd so that one thread per node initialises memory local to >> that node. >> >> After applying the series and setting the appropriate Kconfig variable I >> see this in the boot log on a 64G machine >> >> [ 7.383764] kswapd 0 initialised deferred memory in 188ms >> [ 7.404253] kswapd 1 initialised deferred memory in 208ms >> [ 7.411044] kswapd 3 initialised deferred memory in 216ms >> [ 7.411551] kswapd 2 initialised deferred memory in 216ms >> >> On a 1TB machine, I see >> >> [ 8.406511] kswapd 3 initialised deferred memory in 1116ms >> [ 8.428518] kswapd 1 initialised deferred memory in 1140ms >> [ 8.435977] kswapd 0 initialised deferred memory in 1148ms >> [ 8.437416] kswapd 2 initialised deferred memory in 1148ms >> >> Once booted the machine appears to work as normal. Boot times were >> measured >> from the time shutdown was called until ssh was available again. In the >> 64G case, the boot time savings are negligible. On the 1TB machine, the >> savings were 16 seconds. >> >> It would be nice if the people that have access to really large machines >> would test this series and report how much boot time is reduced. >> >> > > I ran a bootup timing test on a 12-TB 16-socket IvyBridge-EX system. > From grub menu to ssh login, the bootup time was 453s before the patch > and 265s after the patch - a saving of 188s (42%). I used a different > OS environment and config file with this test and so the timing data > weren't comparable with my previous testing data. The kswapd log > entries were > > [ 45.973967] kswapd 4 initialised 197655470 pages in 4390ms > [ 45.974214] kswapd 7 initialised 197655470 pages in 4390ms > [ 45.976692] kswapd 15 initialised 197654299 pages in 4390ms > [ 45.993284] kswapd 0 initialised 197131131 pages in 4410ms > [ 46.032735] kswapd 9 initialised 197655470 pages in 4447ms > [ 46.065856] kswapd 8 initialised 197655470 pages in 4481ms > [ 46.066615] kswapd 1 initialised 197622702 pages in 4483ms > [ 46.077995] kswapd 2 initialised 197655470 pages in 4495ms > [ 46.219508] kswapd 13 initialised 197655470 pages in 4633ms > [ 46.224358] kswapd 3 initialised 197655470 pages in 4641ms > [ 46.228441] kswapd 11 initialised 197655470 pages in 4643ms > [ 46.232258] kswapd 12 initialised 197655470 pages in 4647ms > [ 46.239659] kswapd 10 initialised 197655470 pages in 4654ms > [ 46.243402] kswapd 14 initialised 197655470 pages in 4657ms > [ 46.250368] kswapd 5 initialised 197655470 pages in 4666ms > [ 46.254659] kswapd 6 initialised 197655470 pages in 4670ms > > Cheers, > Longman Bad news! I tried your patch on a 24-TB DragonHawk and got an out of memory panic. The kernel log messages were: : [ 80.126186] CPU 474: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 0 [ 80.131457] CPU 475: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 0 [ 80.136726] CPU 476: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 0 [ 80.141997] CPU 477: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 0 [ 80.147267] CPU 478: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 0 [ 80.152538] CPU 479: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 0 [ 80.157813] active_anon:0 inactive_anon:0 isolated_anon:0 [ 80.157813] active_file:0 inactive_file:0 isolated_file:0 [ 80.157813] unevictable:0 dirty:0 writeback:0 unstable:0 [ 80.157813] free:209 slab_reclaimable:7 slab_unreclaimable:42986 [ 80.157813] mapped:0 shmem:0 pagetables:0 bounce:0 [ 80.157813] free_cma:0 [ 80.190428] Node 0 DMA free:568kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:15988kB managed:15896kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:14928kB kernel_stack:400kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.233475] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.237542] Node 0 DMA32 free:20kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1961924kB managed:1333604kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:12kB slab_unreclaimable:101664kB kernel_stack:50176kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.281456] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.285527] Node 0 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1608515580kB managed:2097148kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:4kB slab_unreclaimable:948kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.328958] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.333031] Node 1 Normal free:248kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612732kB managed:2228220kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:12kB slab_unreclaimable:46240kB kernel_stack:3232kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.377256] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.381325] Node 2 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612736kB managed:2097152kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:612kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.424764] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.428842] Node 3 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612736kB managed:2097152kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:600kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.472293] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.476360] Node 4 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612736kB managed:2097152kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:620kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.519803] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.523875] Node 5 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612736kB managed:2097152kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:584kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.567312] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.571379] Node 6 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612736kB managed:2097152kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:556kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.614814] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.618881] Node 7 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612736kB managed:2097152kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:556kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.662316] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.666390] Node 8 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612736kB managed:2097152kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:572kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.709827] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.713898] Node 9 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612736kB managed:2097152kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:572kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.757336] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.761407] Node 10 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612736kB managed:2097152kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:564kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.804941] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.809015] Node 11 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612736kB managed:2097152kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:572kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.852548] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.856620] Node 12 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612736kB managed:2097152kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:616kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.900158] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.904236] Node 13 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612736kB managed:2097152kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:592kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.947765] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.951847] Node 14 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612736kB managed:2097152kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:600kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 80.995380] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 80.999448] Node 15 Normal free:0kB min:0kB low:0kB high:0kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB present:1610612736kB managed:2097152kB mlocked:0kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB mapped:0kB shmem:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:548kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB unstable:0kB bounce:0kB free_cma:0kB writeback_tmp:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 81.042974] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 [ 81.047044] Node 0 DMA: 132*4kB (U) 5*8kB (U) 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 568kB [ 81.059632] Node 0 DMA32: 5*4kB (U) 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 20kB [ 81.071733] Node 0 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.083443] Node 1 Normal: 52*4kB (U) 5*8kB (U) 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 248kB [ 81.096227] Node 2 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.107935] Node 3 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.119643] Node 4 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.131347] Node 5 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.143056] Node 6 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.154767] Node 7 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.166473] Node 8 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.178179] Node 9 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.189893] Node 10 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.201695] Node 11 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.213496] Node 12 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.225324] Node 13 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.237130] Node 14 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.248926] Node 15 Normal: 0*4kB 0*8kB 0*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 0kB [ 81.260726] 0 total pagecache pages [ 81.264565] 0 pages in swap cache [ 81.268212] Swap cache stats: add 0, delete 0, find 0/0 [ 81.273962] Free swap = 0kB [ 81.277125] Total swap = 0kB [ 81.280341] 6442421132 pages RAM [ 81.283888] 0 pages HighMem/MovableOnly [ 81.288109] 6433662383 pages reserved [ 81.292135] 0 pages hwpoisoned [ 81.295491] [ pid ] uid tgid total_vm rss nr_ptes nr_pmds swapents oom_score_adj name [ 81.305245] Kernel panic - not syncing: Out of memory and no killable processes... [ 81.305245] [ 81.315200] CPU: 240 PID: 1 Comm: swapper/0 Not tainted 4.0.1-pmm-bigsmp #1 [ 81.322856] Hardware name: HP Superdome2 16s x86, BIOS Bundle: 006.000.042 SFW: 015.099.000 04/01/2015 [ 81.333096] 0000000000000000 ffff8800044c79c8 ffffffff8151b0c9 ffff8800044c7a48 [ 81.341262] ffffffff8151ae1e 0000000000000008 ffff8800044c7a58 ffff8800044c79f8 [ 81.349428] ffffffff810785c3 ffffffff81a13480 0000000000000000 ffff8800001001d0 [ 81.357595] Call Trace: [ 81.360287] [<ffffffff8151b0c9>] dump_stack+0x68/0x77 [ 81.365942] [<ffffffff8151ae1e>] panic+0xb9/0x219 [ 81.371213] [<ffffffff810785c3>] ? __blocking_notifier_call_chain+0x63/0x80 [ 81.378971] [<ffffffff811384ce>] __out_of_memory+0x34e/0x350 [ 81.385292] [<ffffffff811385ee>] out_of_memory+0x5e/0x90 [ 81.391230] [<ffffffff8113ce9e>] __alloc_pages_slowpath+0x6be/0x740 [ 81.398219] [<ffffffff8113d15c>] __alloc_pages_nodemask+0x23c/0x250 [ 81.405212] [<ffffffff81186346>] kmem_getpages+0x56/0x110 [ 81.411246] [<ffffffff81187f44>] fallback_alloc+0x164/0x200 [ 81.417474] [<ffffffff81187cfd>] ____cache_alloc_node+0x8d/0x170 [ 81.424179] [<ffffffff811887bb>] kmem_cache_alloc_trace+0x17b/0x240 [ 81.431169] [<ffffffff813d5f3a>] init_memory_block+0x3a/0x110 [ 81.437586] [<ffffffff81b5f687>] memory_dev_init+0xd7/0x13d [ 81.443810] [<ffffffff81b5f2af>] driver_init+0x2f/0x37 [ 81.449556] [<ffffffff81b1599b>] do_basic_setup+0x29/0xd5 [ 81.455597] [<ffffffff81b372c4>] ? sched_init_smp+0x140/0x147 [ 81.462015] [<ffffffff81b15c55>] kernel_init_freeable+0x20e/0x297 [ 81.468815] [<ffffffff81512ea0>] ? rest_init+0x80/0x80 [ 81.474565] [<ffffffff81512ea9>] kernel_init+0x9/0xf0 [ 81.480216] [<ffffffff8151f788>] ret_from_fork+0x58/0x90 [ 81.486156] [<ffffffff81512ea0>] ? rest_init+0x80/0x80 [ 81.492350] ---[ end Kernel panic - not syncing: Out of memory and no killable processes... 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