linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 4/4] nohz: Set isolcpus when nohz

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Date:	Thu, 21 May 2015 06:27:05 -0700
From:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>
Cc:	Afzal Mohammed <afzal.mohd.ma@...il.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <umgwanakikbuti@...il.com>,
	Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@...il.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@...hip.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@...el.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Dave Jones <davej@...hat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@...ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] nohz: Set isolcpus when nohz_full is set

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 03:06:23PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 05:57:59AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 05:42:46PM +0530, Afzal Mohammed wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 02:00:26PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > Given that kernel initiated association to isolcpus, a user turning
> > > > > > NO_HZ_FULL_ALL on had better not have much generic load to manage.  If
> > > > > 
> > > > > On a quad-core desktop system with NO_HZ_FULL_ALL, hackbench took 3x
> > > > > time as compared to w/o this patch, except boot cpu every one else
> > > > > jobless. Though NO_HZ_FULL_ALL (afaik) is not meant for generic load,
> > > > > it was working fine, but not after this - it is now like a single core
> > > > > system.
> > > > 
> > > > I have to ask...  What is your use case?  What are you wanting NO_HZ_FULL
> > > > to do for you?
> > > 
> > > I was just playing NO_HZ_FULL with tip-[sched,timers]-* changes.
> > > 
> > > Thought that shutting down ticks as much as possible would be
> > > beneficial to normal loads too, though it has been mentioned to be used
> > > for specialized loads. Seems like drawbacks due to it weigh against
> > > normal loads, but haven't so far observed any (on a laptop with normal
> > > activities) before this change.
> > 
> > Indeed, NO_HZ_FULL is special purpose.  You normally would select
> > NO_HZ_FULL_ALL only on a system intended for heavy compute without
> > normal-workload distractions or for some real-time systems.  For mixed
> > workloads, you would build with NO_HZ_FULL (but not NO_HZ_FULL_ALL) and
> > use the boot parameters to select which CPUs are to be running the
> > specialized portion of the workload.
> > 
> > And you would of course need to lead enough CPUs running normally to
> > handle the non-specialized portion of the workload.
> > 
> > This sort of thing has traditionally required specialized kernels,
> > so the cool thing here is that we can make Linux do it.  Though, as
> > you noticed, careful configuration is still required.
> > 
> > Seem reasonable?
> 
> That said if he saw a big performance regression after applying these patches,
> then there is likely a problem in the patchset. Well it could be due to that mode
> which loops on full dynticks before resuming to userspace. Indeed when that is
> enabled, I expect real throughput issues on workloads doing lots of kernel <->
> userspace roundtrips. We just need to make sure this thing only works when requested.
> 
> Anyway, I need to look at the patchset.

Fair enough!

							Thanx, Paul

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