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Date:	Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:47:49 +0100
From:	Rogelio Serrano <rogelio.serrano@...il.com>
To:	Martin Steigerwald <martin@...htvoll.de>
Cc:	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: careful review of kdbus

On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Martin Steigerwald
<martin@...htvoll.de> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> In the light of
>
>         * kdbus support is no longer compile-time optional. It is now
>           always built-in. However, it can still be disabled at

a patch to remove all of that code would be welcome...

>           runtime using the kdbus=0 kernel command line setting, and
>           that setting may be changed to default to off, by specifying
>           --disable-kdbus at build-time. Note though that the kernel
>           command line setting has no effect if the kdbus.ko kernel
>           module is not installed, in which case kdbus is (obviously)
>           also disabled. We encourage all downstream distributions to
>           begin testing kdbus by adding it to the kernel images in the
>           development distributions, and leaving kdbus support in
>           systemd enabled.
>
> Lennart Poettering: [systemd-devel] [ANNOUNCE] systemd v221
> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-June/033170.html
>
> I hope you kernel developers will still review kdbus carefully as you did so
> far, instead of giving in to any downstream pressure by distros.
>
> It is exactly this attitude and this approach of systemd upstream that I
> feel uneasy about. Instead of humbly waiting and working towards having
> kdbus accepted to the kernel, systemd developers seem to use any means to
> create indirect pressure to have it included eventually.
>
> I hope that it will still be technical excellence as entry barrier for
> anything that goes into the kernel.
>
> Please note: I do not judge upon the technical quality of kdbus. I think
> others are more knowledgeable to do it.
>
> Thank you,
> --
> Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de
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