linux-kernel - Re: [RFC 3/5] powerpc: atomic: implement atomic{,64}_{add,sub}_return

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Date:	Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:35:20 +0200
From:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To:	Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>
Cc:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@...il.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@...erman.id.au>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Waiman Long <waiman.long@...com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 3/5] powerpc: atomic: implement
 atomic{,64}_{add,sub}_return_* variants


Sorry for being tardy, I had a wee spell of feeling horrible and then I
procrastinated longer than I should have.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 01:45:07PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:

> Peter, any thoughts? I'm not au fait with the x86 memory model, but what
> Paul's saying is worrying.

Right, so Paul is right -- and I completely forgot (I used to know about
that).

So all the TSO archs (SPARC-TSO, x86 (!OOSTORE) and s390) can do
smp_load_acquire()/smp_store_release() with just barrier(), and while:

	smp_store_release(&x);
	smp_load_acquire(&x);

will provide full order by means of the address dependency,

	smp_store_release(&x);
	smp_load_acquire(&y);

will not. Because the one reorder TSO allows is exactly that one.

> Peter -- if the above reordering can happen on x86, then moving away
> from RCpc is going to be less popular than I hoped...

Sadly yes.. We could of course try and split LOCK from ACQUIRE again,
but I'm not sure that's going to help anything except confusion.

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