linux-kernel - Re: kdbus refactoring?

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Date:	Mon, 9 Nov 2015 09:07:50 -0800
From:	Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>
To:	Måns Rullgård <mans@...sr.com>
Cc:	Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@...ndz.org>,
	"systemd-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org" 
	<systemd-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
	Havoc Pennington <havoc.pennington@...il.com>
Subject: Re: kdbus refactoring?

On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 05:02:45PM +0000, Måns Rullgård wrote:
> Andy Lutomirski <luto@...capital.net> writes:
> 
> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >> On Sun, Nov 08, 2015 at 10:39:43PM +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> >>> On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Greg KH <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org> wrote:
> >>> > On Sun, Nov 08, 2015 at 10:06:31PM +0100, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> >>> >> Hi all,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> after reading on the removal of kdbus from Rawhide[1] I've searched
> >>> >> the mailinglist archives for more details but didn't find anything.
> >>> >> So, what are your plans?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kernel/2015-October/006011.html
> >>> >
> >>> > As that link said, based on the result of the code being in Rawhide, it
> >>> > is now being reworked / redesigned.  The result will be posted for
> >>> > review "when it's ready".
> >>>
> >>> If you rework/redesign something you have to know what you want to change.
> >>> That's why I was asking for the plan...
> >>
> >> Since when do people post "plans" or "design documents" on lkml without
> >> real code?  Again, code will be posted when it's ready, like any other
> >> kernel submission.
> >
> > I ask for feedback on ideas and designs on a fairly regular basis.  I
> > even frequently get valuable feedback :)
> >
> > I would like to think that the kernel community would have something
> > of value to add to the process of designing and implementing a major
> > new IPC mechanism.
> 
> The "trust us, we'll show it when it's ready" attitude reminds me of the
> controversial TPP and TTIP negotiations.

Ok, that's just trolling, cut it out.

When something is even in the "hey look, it works, here's the big
changes from last time", we will of course post it, but right now,
things are being totally revisited based on the feedback we have
received so far.  Give people a chance to recover from conferences and
then get back to work...

thanks,

greg k-h
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