linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 0/3] iopmem : A block device for PCIe memory

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Date:   Wed, 19 Oct 2016 12:58:29 -0700
From:   Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
To:     Stephen Bates <sbates@...thlin.com>
Cc:     "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org>,
        linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org, linux-block@...r.kernel.org,
        Linux MM <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@...ux.intel.com>,
        Matthew Wilcox <willy@...ux.intel.com>,
        Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@...idianresearch.com>,
        haggaie@...lanox.com, Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
        Jens Axboe <axboe@...com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@....net>,
        jim.macdonald@...rspin.com, sbates@...thin.com,
        Logan Gunthorpe <logang@...tatee.com>,
        David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>,
        "Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@...el.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] iopmem : A block device for PCIe memory

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Stephen Bates <sbates@...thlin.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 08:51:15PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>> [ adding Ashok and David for potential iommu comments ]
>>
>
> Hi Dan
>
> Thanks for adding Ashok and David!
>
>>
>> I agree with the motivation and the need for a solution, but I have
>> some questions about this implementation.
>>
>> >
>> > Consumers
>> > ---------
>> >
>> > We provide a PCIe device driver in an accompanying patch that can be
>> > used to map any PCIe BAR into a DAX capable block device. For
>> > non-persistent BARs this simply serves as an alternative to using
>> > system memory bounce buffers. For persistent BARs this can serve as an
>> > additional storage device in the system.
>>
>> Why block devices?  I wonder if iopmem was initially designed back
>> when we were considering enabling DAX for raw block devices.  However,
>> that support has since been ripped out / abandoned.  You currently
>> need a filesystem on top of a block-device to get DAX operation.
>> Putting xfs or ext4 on top of PCI-E memory mapped range seems awkward
>> if all you want is a way to map the bar for another PCI-E device in
>> the topology.
>>
>> If you're only using the block-device as a entry-point to create
>> dax-mappings then a device-dax (drivers/dax/) character-device might
>> be a better fit.
>>
>
> We chose a block device because we felt it was intuitive for users to
> carve up a memory region but putting a DAX filesystem on it and creating
> files on that DAX aware FS. It seemed like a convenient way to
> partition up the region and to be easily able to get the DMA address
> for the memory backing the device.
>
> That said I would be very keen to get other peoples thoughts on how
> they would like to see this done. And I know some people have had some
> reservations about using DAX mounted FS to do this in the past.

I guess it depends on the expected size of these devices BARs, but I
get the sense they may be smaller / more precious such that you
wouldn't want to spend capacity on filesystem metadata? For the target
use case is it assumed that these device BARs are always backed by
non-volatile memory?  Otherwise this is a mkfs each boot for a
volatile device.

>>
>> > 2. Memory Segment Spacing. This patch has the same limitations that
>> > ZONE_DEVICE does in that memory regions must be spaces at least
>> > SECTION_SIZE bytes part. On x86 this is 128MB and there are cases where
>> > BARs can be placed closer together than this. Thus ZONE_DEVICE would not
>> > be usable on neighboring BARs. For our purposes, this is not an issue as
>> > we'd only be looking at enabling a single BAR in a given PCIe device.
>> > More exotic use cases may have problems with this.
>>
>> I'm working on patches for 4.10 to allow mixing multiple
>> devm_memremap_pages() allocations within the same physical section.
>> Hopefully this won't be a problem going forward.
>>
>
> Thanks Dan. Your patches will help address the problem of how to
> partition a /dev/dax device but they don't help the case then BARs
> themselves are small, closely spaced and non-segment aligned. However
> I think most people using iopmem will want to use reasonbly large
> BARs so I am not sure item 2 is that big of an issue.

I think you might have misunderstood what I'm proposing.  The patches
I'm working on are separate from a facility to carve up a /dev/dax
device.  The effort is to allow devm_memremap_pages() to maintain
several allocations within the same 128MB section.  I need this for
persistent memory to handle platforms that mix pmem and system-ram in
the same section.  I want to be able to map ZONE_DEVICE pages for a
portion of a section and be able to remove portions of section that
may collide with allocations of a different lifetime.