linux-kernel - Re: Enabling peer to peer device transactions for PCIe devices

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Date:   Wed, 23 Nov 2016 14:11:29 -0700
From:   Logan Gunthorpe <logang@...tatee.com>
To:     Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@...idianresearch.com>,
        Serguei Sagalovitch <serguei.sagalovitch@....com>
Cc:     Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>,
        "Deucher, Alexander" <Alexander.Deucher@....com>,
        "linux-nvdimm@...ts.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@...1.01.org>,
        "linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-pci@...r.kernel.org" <linux-pci@...r.kernel.org>,
        "Kuehling, Felix" <Felix.Kuehling@....com>,
        "Bridgman, John" <John.Bridgman@....com>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        "dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org" <dri-devel@...ts.freedesktop.org>,
        "Koenig, Christian" <Christian.Koenig@....com>,
        "Sander, Ben" <ben.sander@....com>,
        "Suthikulpanit, Suravee" <Suravee.Suthikulpanit@....com>,
        "Blinzer, Paul" <Paul.Blinzer@....com>,
        "Linux-media@...r.kernel.org" <Linux-media@...r.kernel.org>,
        Haggai Eran <haggaie@...lanox.com>
Subject: Re: Enabling peer to peer device transactions for PCIe devices



On 23/11/16 01:33 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 02:58:38PM -0500, Serguei Sagalovitch wrote:
> 
>>    We do not want to have "highly" dynamic translation due to
>>    performance cost.  We need to support "overcommit" but would
>>    like to minimize impact.  To support RDMA MRs for GPU/VRAM/PCIe
>>    device memory (which is must) we need either globally force
>>    pinning for the scope of "get_user_pages() / "put_pages" or have
>>    special handling for RDMA MRs and similar cases.
> 
> As I said, there is no possible special handling. Standard IB hardware
> does not support changing the DMA address once a MR is created. Forget
> about doing that.

Yeah, that's essentially the point I was trying to make. Not to mention
all the other unrelated hardware that can't DMA to an address that might
disappear mid-transfer.

> Only ODP hardware allows changing the DMA address on the fly, and it
> works at the page table level. We do not need special handling for
> RDMA.

I am aware of ODP but, noted by others, it doesn't provide a general
solution to the points above.

> Like I said, this is the direction the industry seems to be moving in,
> so any solution here should focus on VMAs/page tables as the way to link
> the peer-peer devices.

Yes, this was the appeal to us of using ZONE_DEVICE.

> To me this means at least items #1 and #3 should be removed from
> Alexander's list.

It's also worth noting that #4 makes use of ZONE_DEVICE (#2) so they are
really the same option. iopmem is really just one way to get BAR
addresses to user-space while inside the kernel it's ZONE_DEVICE.

Logan