linux-kernel - Re: [HMM-v25 00/19] HMM (Heterogeneous Memory Management) v25

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Date:   Thu, 17 Aug 2017 15:16:24 -0700
From:   Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
To:     Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
Cc:     Jerome Glisse <jglisse@...hat.com>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux MM <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
        John Hubbard <jhubbard@...dia.com>,
        David Nellans <dnellans@...dia.com>,
        Balbir Singh <bsingharora@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [HMM-v25 00/19] HMM (Heterogeneous Memory Management) v25

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 14:59:20 -0700 Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Jerome Glisse <jglisse@...hat.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 02:39:16PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 20:05:29 -0400 J__r__me Glisse <jglisse@...hat.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Heterogeneous Memory Management (HMM) (description and justification)
> >>
> >> The patchset adds 55 kbytes to x86_64's mm/*.o and there doesn't appear
> >> to be any way of avoiding this overhead, or of avoiding whatever
> >> runtime overheads are added.
> >
> > HMM have already been integrated in couple of Red Hat kernel and AFAIK there
> > is no runtime performance issue reported. Thought the RHEL version does not
> > use static key as Dan asked.
> >
> >>
> >> It also adds 18k to arm's mm/*.o and arm doesn't support HMM at all.
> >>
> >> So that's all quite a lot of bloat for systems which get no benefit from
> >> the patchset.  What can we do to improve this situation (a lot)?
> >
> > I will look into why object file grow so much on arm. My guess is that the
> > new migrate code is the bulk of that. I can hide the new page migration code
> > behind a kernel configuration flag.
> 
> Shouldn't we completely disable all of it unless there is a driver in
> the kernel that selects it?

That would be typical (and nice).

I'm not sure that Red Hat's decision is a broad enough guide here. 
Someone who is using Linux to make a cash register or a thermostat
faces different tradeoffs...