Date:   Thu, 11 Jan 2018 01:46:48 +0100
From:   "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@...nel.org>
To:     Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@...aro.org>
Cc:     "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...ysocki.net>,
        Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org>,
        Linux PM <linux-pm@...r.kernel.org>,
        Kevin Hilman <khilman@...nel.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Lukas Wunner <lukas@...ner.de>,
        Yoshihiro Shimoda <yoshihiro.shimoda.uh@...esas.com>,
        Linux-Renesas <linux-renesas-soc@...r.kernel.org>,
        USB list <linux-usb@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] PM / runtime: Rework pm_runtime_force_suspend/resume()

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@...aro.org> wrote:
> On 9 January 2018 at 17:28, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@...ysocki.net> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:03:18 PM CET Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 4:30 PM, Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@...ux-m68k.org> wrote:

[cut]

>>> That's because of the pm_runtime_force_suspend/resume() called by
>>> genpd.  These functions generally may cause devices active before
>>> system suspend to be left in suspend after it.  That generally is a
>>> good idea if the device was not really in use before the system
>>> suspend, but there is a problem that the driver of it may not be
>>> prepared for that to happen (and also the way to determine the "not
>>> really in use" case may not be as expected by the driver).
>>
>> So below is something to try (untested).
>>
>> I know that Ulf will be protesting, but that's what I would do unless there
>> are really *really* good reasons not to.
>
> I am not protesting! :-)

OK

That makes things a lot easier in principle. :-)

> Instead I think we are rather in agreement that we are concerned about
> that genpd are invoking pm_runtime_force_suspend|resume().
>
>>
>>
>> ---
>>  drivers/base/power/domain.c |   34 +++++++++++++++++++++-------------
>>  1 file changed, 21 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
>>
>> Index: linux-pm/drivers/base/power/domain.c
>> ===================================================================
>> --- linux-pm.orig/drivers/base/power/domain.c
>> +++ linux-pm/drivers/base/power/domain.c
>> @@ -1048,8 +1048,9 @@ static int genpd_finish_suspend(struct d
>>         if (ret)
>>                 return ret;
>>
>> -       if (genpd->dev_ops.stop && genpd->dev_ops.start) {
>> -               ret = pm_runtime_force_suspend(dev);
>> +       if (genpd->dev_ops.stop && genpd->dev_ops.start &&
>> +           !pm_runtime_status_suspended(dev)) {
>> +               ret = genpd_stop_dev(genpd, dev);
>
> Something like this existed there before, but because of other
> internal genpd reasons. It's an option but there are issues with it.

OK

> I think it's fragile because invoking the ->stop() callback may
> trigger calls to "disable" resources (like clocks, pinctrls, etc) for
> the device. Doing this at ->suspend_noirq() may be too late, as that
> subsystem/driver for the resource(s) may already be system suspended.
> This is the classic problem of suspending (and later resuming) devices
> in in-correct order.

Well, this is what happens with the current code too.

I mean if unmodified genpd_finish_suspend() runs, it will call
pm_runtime_force_suspend() and that will check the device's runtime PM
status in the first place.  If that is "suspended", it will return
right away without doing anything (after disabling runtime PM, but
that is irrelevant here as runtime PM is already disabled).  In turn,
if the runtime PM status is "active", it will run
genpd_runtime_suspend() (as the callback) and that will run the
driver's runtime PM callback and the genpd_stop_dev() right after it.
Thus, if calling genpd_stop_dev() at that point is problematic, it is
problematic already today.

What the patch does is essentially to drop the driver's runtime PM
callback (should not be necessary) and the domain power off (certainly
not necessary) from that path, but to keep the genpd_stop_dev()
invocation that may be necessary in principle (the device is "active",
so genpd_runtime_suspend() has not run for it, so genpd_stop_dev() has
not been called for it yet, but it may be good to stop the clocks
before powering off the domain).

The resume part is basically running genpd_start_dev() for the devices
for which genpd_stop_dev() was run by genpd_finish_suspend(), which is
because the subsequent driver callbacks may expect the clocks to be
enabled.

> Today we deal with this, by drivers/subsystem assigning the right
> level of callback, as well as making sure the "dpm_list" is sorted
> correctly (yeah, we have device links as well).
>
> The point is, we can go for this solution, but is it good enough?

I would like to treat it as a step away from what is there today,
retaining some of the existing functionality.

>From a quick look at the existing users of genpd that use the device
start/stop functionality, running genpd_stop_dev()/genpd_start_dev()
in the "noirq" phases should not be problematic for them at least.

> Another option, is to simply to remove (and not replace with something
> else) the calls to pm_runtime_force_ suspend|resume() from genpd.

Right.

> This moves the entire responsibility to the driver, to put its device into
> low power state during system suspend, but with the benefit of that it
> can decide to use the correct level of suspend/resume callbacks.

Drivers of the devices in the "stop/start" domains will have to use
pm_runtime_force_ suspend|resume() internally then to benefit from the
domain's management of clocks, but that just may be the only way to
avoid more problems.

> No matter how we do it, changing this may introduce some potential
> regressions from a power consumption point of view, however although
> only for those SoCs that uses the ->start|stop() callbacks. To
> mitigate these power regressions, some drivers needs to be fixed, but
> that seems inevitable anyway, doesn't it?

Yes, it does.

I would say let's try to go with this patch of mine as submitted and
see how far we can get with that.

That essentially doesn't prevent us from dropping the
genpd_stop_dev()/genpd_start_dev() from the "noirq" stages if need be
after all, but dropping them right away may cause the fallout to be
more dramatic, at least in theory.

Thanks,
Rafael

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