Date:   Mon, 9 Apr 2018 14:50:18 +0800
From:   Ganesh Mahendran <opensource.ganesh@...il.com>
To:     Minchan Kim <minchan@...nel.org>
Cc:     Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Joe Perches <joe@...ches.com>,
        Arve Hjønnevåg <arve@...roid.com>,
        Todd Kjos <tkjos@...gle.com>, Martijn Coenen <maco@...roid.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] ANDROID: binder: change down_write to down_read

2018-04-09 14:40 GMT+08:00 Minchan Kim <minchan@...nel.org>:
> Hi Ganesh,
>
> Isn't there any update?

We were on vacation a few days ago. After the test complete, I will
update the result immediately.

Thanks.

>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 7:32 PM, Minchan Kim <minchan@...nel.org> wrote:
>> Hi Ganesh,
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 06:01:59PM +0800, Ganesh Mahendran wrote:
>>> 2018-04-02 15:11 GMT+08:00 Minchan Kim <minchan@...nel.org>:
>>> > On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 02:46:14PM +0800, Ganesh Mahendran wrote:
>>> >> 2018-04-02 14:34 GMT+08:00 Minchan Kim <minchan@...nel.org>:
>>> >> > On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:04:07PM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
>>> >> >> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 10:29:21AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
>>> >> >> > Hi Ganesh,
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 09:21:55AM +0800, Ganesh Mahendran wrote:
>>> >> >> > > 2018-03-29 14:54 GMT+08:00 Minchan Kim <minchan@...nel.org>:
>>> >> >> > > > binder_update_page_range needs down_write of mmap_sem because
>>> >> >> > > > vm_insert_page need to change vma->vm_flags to VM_MIXEDMAP unless
>>> >> >> > > > it is set. However, when I profile binder working, it seems
>>> >> >> > > > every binder buffers should be mapped in advance by binder_mmap.
>>> >> >> > > > It means we could set VM_MIXEDMAP in binder_mmap time which is
>>> >> >> > > > already hold a mmap_sem as down_write so binder_update_page_range
>>> >> >> > > > doesn't need to hold a mmap_sem as down_write.
>>> >> >> > > >
>>> >> >> > > > Android suffers from mmap_sem contention so let's reduce mmap_sem
>>> >> >> > > > down_write.
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > > Hi, Minchan:
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > > It seems there is performance regression of this patch.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > You mean "This patch aims for solving performance regression" not "This patch
>>> >> >> > makes performance regression"?
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > >
>>> >> >> > > Do you have some test result of android app launch time or binderThroughput?
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Unfortunately, I don't have any number. The goal is to reduce the number of
>>> >> >> > call mmap_sem as write-side lock because it makes priority inversion of threads
>>> >> >> > easily and that's one of clear part I spot that we don't need write-side lock.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Please always run the binderThroughput tests when making binder changes
>>> >> >> (there is a binder test suite in the CTS Android tests), as that ensures
>>> >> >> that you are not causing performance regressions as well as just normal
>>> >> >> bug regressions :)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks for the information. I didn't notice that such kinds of tests for
>>> >> > binder. I will keep it in mind.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Today, I have setup the testing for my phone and found testing was very
>>> >> > fluctuating even without my patch. It might be not good with my test
>>> >> > skill. I emulated user's behavior with various touch event. With it, I open
>>> >> > various apps and play with them several times. Before starting the test,
>>> >> > I did "adb shell stop && adb shell start && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches"
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Such 15% noise was very easy to make it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Ganesh, How did you measure? What's the stddev?
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi, Minchan:
>>> >>
>>> >> Sorry for the late response, a little busy these days. :)
>>> >>
>>> >> We have our own test tools to measure app launch time, or you can use
>>> >> android systrace to get the app launch time. We tested your V1 patch:
>>> >> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/10312057/
>>> >> and found app lunch time regression.
>>> >
>>> > V1 had a bug with VM_MAYWRITE. Could you confirm it with v5?
>>>
>>> I have finished binder Throughput test. The test result is stable,
>>> there is no performance
>>> regression found both in v1 and v5.
>>
>> Thanks for the test! Now I'm struggling with setting up BinderThrough test.
>> Binder matainers:
>> If it's really one every binder contributors should do before the
>> sending their patch, couldn't we have them in kernel directory like kselftest?
>> Like me who understand just a part of code, it's hard to download android
>> userspace full code and build/test.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>             base            patch_v1         patch_v5
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>>>             91223.4      90560.2           89644.5
>>>             90520.3      89583.1           89048.2
>>>             89833.2      90247.6           90091.3
>>>             90740.2      90276.7           90994.2
>>>             89703.5      90112.4           89994.6
>>>             89945.1      89122.8           88937.7
>>>             89872.8      90357.3           89307.4
>>>             89913.2      90355.4           89563.8
>>>             88979         90393.4           90182.8
>>>             89577.3      90946.8           90441.4
>>> AVG    90030.8      90195.57          89820.59
>>
>> Yes, no regression.
>>
>>>
>>> Before the test, I stop the android framework by:
>>>     adb shell stop
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Please tell me more detail. What apps are slower compared to old?
>>> > Every apps are slowed with avg 15%? Then, what's the stddev?
>>>
>>> Not all of the apps slowed 15%, The app *avg* launch time slowed 15%.
>>> And We will re-launch the test tomorrow: base, v1,v5. We will get the
>>> test result in two days later. Then I will post all the app launch time details.
>>
>> I'm also trying to make stable result in my side but it's really hard to
>> get. Please post stddev of each app as well as avg when you finished testing.
>> I really appreicate you.
>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > The reason I'm asking is as I mentioned, it would be caused by rw_semaphore
>>> > implementation and priority of threads which calls binder operation so I
>>> > guess it would be not deterministic.
>>> >
>>> > When I had an simple experiment, it was very fluctuating as I expected.
>>> > (the testing enviroment might be not good in my side).
>>> > If it's real problem on real practice, better fix is not using write_lock
>>> > of mmap_sem(it's abusing the write-side lock)  but should adjust priority,
>>> > I think. What do you think?
>>>
>>> If you want to narrow the range of the problem. We can disable binder priority
>>> inherit, and do not set the priority(currently it is nice -10 or fifo)
>>> of top app in Android AMS.
>>> I think we need to wait for the test result to see whether it really
>>> has performance
>>> regression.
>>
>> Look at up_write.
>>
>> (Let's assume process B is head of wait list of rw_semaphore, and then C, D, E)
>> If the process B is trying to down_write and previous lock holder A is
>> called up_write, the only B could be waked up so there is no contention
>> to get CPU slice. It's the current as-is but if we changes B to try to
>> down_read instead of down_write, B should be competed with other down_read
>> C,D,E in so the chance would be rare to be scheduled.
>>
>> It's really (timing|priority of binder and other threads) problem so I don't
>> understand what you said how we could narrow down the problem with disabling
>> binder priority.
>
>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Minchan Kim

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