linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v3 1/7] security: rename security_kernel_read

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:   Thu, 24 May 2018 19:29:52 -0400
From:   Mimi Zohar <zohar@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>
To:     "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
        James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
        Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com>
Cc:     linux-integrity@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org,
        linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, David Howells <dhowells@...hat.com>,
        "Luis R . Rodriguez" <mcgrof@...nel.org>,
        kexec@...ts.infradead.org, Andres Rodriguez <andresx7@...il.com>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@...aro.org>,
        Kees Cook <keescook@...omium.org>,
        Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com>,
        Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/7] security: rename security_kernel_read_file() hook

On Thu, 2018-05-24 at 15:49 -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> I already nacked this approach because the two cases don't
> share a bit of code.  When I looked closer it was even crazier.

It hasn't been clear what you meant by "the two cases don't share a
bit of code".  The first attempt called
security_kernel_read_file().  As per your comments, kexec_load doesn't
load a file.  Thinking it was a naming issue the second attempt
defined a wrapper named security_kernel_read_blob() for
security_kernel_read_file().  Still thinking it was a naming issue,
this attempt renamed the security_kernel_read_file() to
security_kernel_read_data().

> 
> The way ima uses this hook and the post_load hook today is a travesty.

Instead of having multiple functions, each a bit different, for
reading a file from the kernel, kernel_read_file() is a generic
implementation with both pre and post security calls.

 I think the pre and post security kernel_read_file() LSM hooks are
quite well thought out.  The security_kernel_read_file is called
before the kernel reads the file.  The security_kernel_post_read_file
is called after the kernel reads the file.

> The way the security_kernel_file_read and security_kernel_file_post_read
> are called today and are used by ima don't make the least little bit of
> sense.
> 
> Abusing security_kernel_file_read in the module loader and then abusing
> security_kernel_file_post_read in the firmware loader is insane.  The
> loadpin lsm could not even figure this out and so it failed to work
> because of these shenanighans.
> 
> Only implementing kernel_file_read to handle the !file case is pretty
> much insane.   There is no way this should be expanded to cover kexec
> until the code actually makes sense.  We need a maintainable kernel.

It wasn't implemented *only* for the IMA !file case, but as a generic
mechanism.  True, IMA is only using the security_kernel_read_file hook
for detecting !file, but the security_kernel_post_read_file hook is
used for verifying the file's integrity.

> Below is where I suggest you start on sorting out these security hooks.
> - Adding a security_kernel_arg to catch when you want to allow/deny the
>   use of an argument to a syscall.  What security_kernel_file_read and
>   security_kernel_file_post_read have been abused for.

Assuming we define a new LSM hook named "security_kernel_arg", would
we also define a new enumeration or could we still use the existing
kernel_read_file_id?

> 
> - Removing ima_file_read because it is completely subsumed by the new
>   call.

The existing IMA function wouldn't be removed, but renamed to whatever
the new LSM hook is named.

> 
> - Please note with adding this new hook there is no code shared between
>   the cases, and the lsm code becomes simpler shorter when it can assume
>   security_kernel_file_post_read always takes a struct file.  (Even with
>   the addition of a new security hook).

We would be defining a new LSM hook, not removing the existing
security_kernel_read_file hook, and only renaming the IMA usage of the
hook.

If defining a new LSM hook named security_kernel_arg makes you happy,
I don't have a problem with implementing it.

James, Casey, are you Ok with this?

Mimi