Date:   Fri, 13 Jul 2018 09:49:03 -0700
From:   Matthias Kaehlcke <mka@...omium.org>
To:     David Collins <collinsd@...eaurora.org>
Cc:     Doug Anderson <dianders@...omium.org>,
        Andy Gross <andy.gross@...aro.org>,
        David Brown <david.brown@...aro.org>,
        Rob Herring <robh+dt@...nel.org>,
        Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@....com>,
        Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@....com>,
        Will Deacon <will.deacon@....com>,
        "open list:ARM/QUALCOMM SUPPORT" <linux-soc@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-arm-msm <linux-arm-msm@...r.kernel.org>,
        Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@...ts.infradead.org>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Stephen Boyd <sboyd@...nel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] arm64: dts: qcom: pm8998: Add thermal zone

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 05:10:50PM -0700, David Collins wrote:
> Hello Doug,
> 
> On 07/11/2018 03:43 PM, Doug Anderson wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 3:36 PM, David Collins <collinsd@...eaurora.org> wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 10:45 AM, David Collins <collinsd@...eaurora.org> wrote:
> >>>> On 06/29/2018 04:54 PM, Matthias Kaehlcke wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 02:29:55PM -0700, David Collins wrote:
> >>>> ...
> >>>>>> The PMIC TEMP_ALARM hardware peripheral will perform an automatic partial
> >>>>>> PMIC shutdown upon hitting over-temperature stage 2 (125 C).  This turns
> >>>>>> off peripherals within the PMIC that are expected to draw significant
> >>>>>> current.  The set of peripherals included varies between PMICs.  This
> >>>>>> partial shutdown will occur simultaneously with the triggering of an
> >>>>>> interrupt to the APPS processor that informs the qcom-spmi-temp-alarm
> >>>>>> driver that an over-temperature threshold has been crossed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The TEMP_ALARM peripheral will perform an automatic full PMIC shutdown
> >>>>>> upon hitting over-temperature stage 3 (145 C).  Software won't receive an
> >>>>>> interrupt in this case because all power is cut.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This information is very useful, thanks David!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The (partial) hardware shutdown seems like a good measure of last
> >>>>> resort, however I suppose we prefer Linux to initiate a shutdown
> >>>>> before losing part of the peripherals (drivers might not be happy
> >>>>> about this and probably not revover even when the temperature goes
> >>>>> down again) or reach a full PMIC shutdown.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please let me know if there are reasons to prefer to go the hardware
> >>>>> limits, it's also an option for device makers to overwrite these
> >>>>> settings if they want different behavior.
> >>>>
> >>>> Disabling stage 3 automatic full PMIC shutdown at 145 C is definitely a
> >>>> bad idea.  This exists as a last resort in order to save the hardware and
> >>>> ensure end user safety in case of excessive temperature even if software
> >>>> is locked up.
> >>>>
> >>>> Disabling stage 2 automatic partial PMIC shutdown at 125 C is not
> >>>> recommended as the PMIC is already outside of reasonable operating
> >>>> conditions and needs to take corrective action quickly.  However, doing so
> >>>> may be acceptable if software is taking action to shut down the system
> >>>> immediately upon receiving the stage 2 over-temperature interrupt.
> >>>> Just to confirm: is it expected that at stage 2 the CPU's on the SoC
> >>> should continue running even with partial PMIC shutdown enabled?
> >>
> >> This is not guaranteed.
> >>
> >>
> >>> It sounded to me like partial PMIC shutdown was supposed to shut down
> >>> high-power rails that were not essential to the task of performing an
> >>> orderly shutdown.
> >>
> >> Shutting down high-power peripherals is accurate; however, special care is
> >> not taken to ensure that an orderly shutdown is possible.  At the very
> >> least, the HW and SW state will be out of sync for the peripherals that
> >> are shut down.
> > 
> > OK, I guess I'm confused now.  Why does partial PMIC shutdown even
> > exist then?  What is the point of leaving some rails alive if software
> > could stop running?  It seems like it would be better to just shut
> > everything down.
> > 
> > Said another way: can you describe what benefit you see for only
> > partially shutting down the PMIC at stage 2 compared to just fully
> > shutting it down at stage 2?
> 
> Stage 2 partial shutdown is present on PM8998 for legacy reasons.  It is
> being phased out on future PMICs.  My understanding is that it was
> originally intended to be a less aggressive mitigation option than a full
> shutdown and that it allows for more post-mitigation analysis (e.g.
> preserved RAM contents).
> 
> The set of peripherals which are disabled during stage 2 partial shutdown
> is not well defined which leads to the kind of uncertainty and ill-defined
> behavior being discussed in this thread.

Thanks for the information!

> >> Disabling stage 2 partial shutdown and then using software to
> >> perform a controlled shutdown at 125 C is probably the best option for you
> >> at this point.
> > 
> > This seems OK to me given that I don't understand the original purpose
> > of the partial PMIC shutdown.  Would you expect that all upstream PMIC
> > users would want stage 2 partial shutdown disabled, so we should just
> > do this for all users of the PMIC?
> 
> I'd think that we only want to override stage 2 partial shutdown if
> thermal nodes are defined which cause a graceful software controlled
> shutdown in place of the PMIC partial shutdown.  Therefore, management of
> the feature should probably be tied to a boolean DT property.

Sounds good, I'll send a patch to disable the partial shutdown through
a DT property soon.

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