Date:   Thu, 16 Aug 2018 12:34:05 +0200
From:   Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@....com>
To:     Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@....com>,
        Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>
Cc:     Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@...hat.com>,
        linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-pm <linux-pm@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Tejun Heo <tj@...nel.org>,
        "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@...el.com>,
        Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@...aro.org>,
        Paul Turner <pjt@...gle.com>,
        Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@....com>,
        Todd Kjos <tkjos@...gle.com>,
        Joel Fernandes <joelaf@...gle.com>,
        Steve Muckle <smuckle@...gle.com>,
        Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@...gle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 06/14] sched/cpufreq: uclamp: add utilization clamping
 for RT tasks

On 08/13/2018 05:01 PM, Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> On 13-Aug 16:06, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 14:49, Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@....com> wrote:
>>> On 13-Aug 14:07, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 12:12, Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@....com> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>>> Yes I agree that the current behavior is not completely clean... still
>>> the question is: do you reckon the problem I depicted above, i.e. RT
>>> workloads eclipsing the min_util required by lower priority classes?
>>
>> As said above, I don't think that there is a problem that is specific
>> to cross class scheduling that can't also happen in the same class.
>>
>> Regarding your example:
>> task TA util=40% with uclamp_min 50%
>> task TB util=10% with uclamp_min 0%
>>
>> If TA and TB are cfs, util=50% and it doesn't seem to be a problem
>> whereas TB will steal some bandwidth to TA and delay it (and i even
>> don't speak about the impact of the nice priority of TB)
>> If TA is cfs and TB is rt, Why util=50% is now a problem for TA ?
> 
> You right, in the current implementation, where we _do not_
> distinguish among scheduling classes it's not possible to get a
> reasonable implementation of a per sched class clamping.
> 
>>> To a certain extend I see this problem similar to the rt/dl/irq pressure
>>> in defining cpu_capacity, isn't it?
> 
> However, I still think that higher priority classes eclipsing the
> clamping of lower priority classes can still be a problem.
> 
> In your example above, the main difference between TA and TB being on
> the same class or different classes is that in the second case TB
> is granted to always preempt TA. We can end up with a non boosted RT
> task consuming all the boosted bandwidth required by a CFS task.
> 
> This does not happen, apart maybe for the corner case of really
> different nice values, if the tasks are both CFS, since the fair
> scheduler will grant some progress for both of them.
> 
> Thus, given the current implementation, I think it makes sense to drop
> the UCLAMP_SCHED_CLASS policy and stick with a more clean and
> consistent design.

I agree with everything said in this thread so far.
So in case you skip UCLAMP_SCHED_CLASS [(B) combine the clamped 
utilizations] in v4, you will only provide [A) clamp the combined 
utilization]?

I assume that we don't have to guard the util clamping for rt tasks 
behind a disabled by default sched feature because all runnable rt tasks 
will have util_min = SCHED_CAPACITY_SCALE by default?

> I'll then see if it makes sense to add a dedicated patch on top of the
> series to add a proper per-class clamp tracking.

I assume if you introduce this per-class clamping you will switch to use 
the UCLAMP_SCHED_CLASS approach?

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