linux-kernel - RE: [PATCH] usb: hub: try old enumeration scheme first for high speed devices

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Date:   Fri, 17 Aug 2018 02:15:52 +0000
From:   "Zengtao (B)" <prime.zeng@...ilicon.com>
To:     Roger Quadros <rogerq@...com>,
        Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
CC:     "gregkh@...uxfoundation.org" <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        "mathias.nyman@...ux.intel.com" <mathias.nyman@...ux.intel.com>,
        "drinkcat@...omium.org" <drinkcat@...omium.org>,
        "felipe.balbi@...ux.intel.com" <felipe.balbi@...ux.intel.com>,
        "drake@...lessm.com" <drake@...lessm.com>,
        "mike.looijmans@...ic.nl" <mike.looijmans@...ic.nl>,
        "joe@...ches.com" <joe@...ches.com>,
        "linux-usb@...r.kernel.org" <linux-usb@...r.kernel.org>,
        "linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH] usb: hub: try old enumeration scheme first for high
 speed devices

Hi Roger:

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roger Quadros [mailto:rogerq@...com]
>Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:14 PM
>To: Zengtao (B) <prime.zeng@...ilicon.com>; Alan Stern
><stern@...land.harvard.edu>
>Cc: gregkh@...uxfoundation.org; mathias.nyman@...ux.intel.com;
>drinkcat@...omium.org; felipe.balbi@...ux.intel.com;
>drake@...lessm.com; mike.looijmans@...ic.nl; joe@...ches.com;
>linux-usb@...r.kernel.org; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
>Subject: Re: [PATCH] usb: hub: try old enumeration scheme first for high
>speed devices
>
>On 16/08/18 13:59, Zengtao (B) wrote:
>> Hi Roger:
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Roger Quadros [mailto:rogerq@...com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 3:17 PM
>>> To: Zengtao (B) <prime.zeng@...ilicon.com>; Alan Stern
>>> <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
>>> Cc: gregkh@...uxfoundation.org; mathias.nyman@...ux.intel.com;
>>> drinkcat@...omium.org; felipe.balbi@...ux.intel.com;
>>> drake@...lessm.com; mike.looijmans@...ic.nl; joe@...ches.com;
>>> linux-usb@...r.kernel.org; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
>>> Subject: Re: [PATCH] usb: hub: try old enumeration scheme first for
>>> high speed devices
>>>
>>> On 16/08/18 09:21, Zengtao (B) wrote:
>>>> Hi alan:
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Alan Stern [mailto:stern@...land.harvard.edu]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 10:40 PM
>>>>> To: Zengtao (B) <prime.zeng@...ilicon.com>
>>>>> Cc: Roger Quadros <rogerq@...com>; gregkh@...uxfoundation.org;
>>>>> mathias.nyman@...ux.intel.com; drinkcat@...omium.org;
>>>>> felipe.balbi@...ux.intel.com; drake@...lessm.com;
>>>>> mike.looijmans@...ic.nl; joe@...ches.com;
>>>>> linux-usb@...r.kernel.org; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
>>>>> Subject: RE: [PATCH] usb: hub: try old enumeration scheme first for
>>>>> high speed devices
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2018, Zengtao (B) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi alan:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: linux-usb-owner@...r.kernel.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:linux-usb-owner@...r.kernel.org] On Behalf Of Alan Stern
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 10:20 PM
>>>>>>> To: Roger Quadros <rogerq@...com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Zengtao (B) <prime.zeng@...ilicon.com>;
>>>>>>> gregkh@...uxfoundation.org; mathias.nyman@...ux.intel.com;
>>>>>>> drinkcat@...omium.org; felipe.balbi@...ux.intel.com;
>>>>>>> drake@...lessm.com; mike.looijmans@...ic.nl;
>joe@...ches.com;
>>>>>>> linux-usb@...r.kernel.org; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PATCH] usb: hub: try old enumeration scheme first
>>>>>>> for high speed devices
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2018, Roger Quadros wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/08/18 18:01, Zeng Tao wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The new scheme is required just to support legacy low and
>>>>>>>>> full-speed devices. For high speed devices, it will slower the
>>>>>>>>> enumeration
>>>>> speed.
>>>>>>>>> So in this patch we try the "old" enumeration scheme first for
>>>>>>>>> high speed devices.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How slow does it get? Is it significant?
>>>>>>>> Do we risk breaking existing HS devices that work? I don't think
>>>>>>>> we can be sure till we run this through testing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed.  I am extremely skeptical about a patch like this, unless
>>>>>>> somebody can show that Windows uses the "old" scheme for
>>> high-speed
>>>>> devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, this is what the windows has done, you can refer to
>>>>>>
>>> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/usbcoreblog/2013/04/11/usb-2-1-2-0-
>>>>>> 1- 1-device-enumeration-changes-in-windows-8/
>>>>>
>>>>> And that blog post is 5 years old!
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, I think we can go ahead and make this change.  However, you
>>>>> should update the patch description to mention what Microsoft did
>>>>> in Windows 8 and say that the new behavior matches theirs.
>>>>>
>>>> Okay, I will update it the change log in v2.
>>>>
>>>>> Also, as Roger mentioned, you should update the documentation to
>>>>> say that the old_scheme_first module parameter now applies only to
>>>>> low- and full-speed devices, since high- and SuperSpeed devices
>>>>> always use
>>> the old scheme first.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since we should have dedicated enumeration flow for SS, HIGH, low
>>>> and full speed devices, So I think the old_scheme_first and
>>>> use_both_schemes
>>> parameters should be removed.
>>>> What do you think about it?
>>>
>>> I think we should retain them as some host controllers can have
>>> issues and these parameters give some control to system integrators
>>> to workaround if required.
>>>
>>> I'm aware of one errata [1] that requires the old_scheme_first to be
>>> set in certain circumstances.
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.ti.com/lit/er/sprz429l/sprz429l.pdf
>>> Section i897
>>
>> I 'd rather to use a quirk to workaround.
>> And the main idea is to keep the enumeration flow as simple as possible.
>
>The workaround isn't always required. Only in certain circumstances
>decided by the user.
>How can a user set the quirk? Now it is as easy as setting it in the kernel
>command line.
>
>One option would be to use the old_scheme_first_port via sysfs.
>/sys/bus/usb/devices/.../(hub interface)/portX/quirks
>
>But that won't work if devices are hard-wired in the system and get
>enumerated before user gets access to sysfs. We need a way to force one
>type of scheme before devices are enumerated.
>

Okay, make sense, thank you for the explanation.

>--
>cheers,
>-roger
>
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