linux-kernel - Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] Introduce thermal pressure

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Date:   Wed, 10 Oct 2018 13:08:22 -0400
From:   Thara Gopinath <thara.gopinath@...aro.org>
To:     Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@...il.com>,
        Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@...aro.org>
Cc:     Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@....com>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...nel.org>,
        linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@...el.com>,
        "gregkh@...uxfoundation.org" <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@...nel.org>,
        Amit Kachhap <amit.kachhap@...il.com>,
        viresh kumar <viresh.kumar@...aro.org>,
        Javi Merino <javi.merino@...nel.org>,
        Eduardo Valentin <edubezval@...il.com>,
        Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@...aro.org>,
        "open list:THERMAL" <linux-pm@...r.kernel.org>,
        Ionela Voinescu <ionela.voinescu@....com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] Introduce thermal pressure

On 10/10/2018 09:34 AM, Juri Lelli wrote:
> On 10/10/18 15:08, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 14:50, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@...il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/10/18 14:34, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>>>> Hi  Juri,
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 14:23, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@...il.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/10/18 14:04, Vincent Guittot wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem was the same with RT, the cfs utilization was lower than
>>>>>> reality because RT steals soem cycle to CFS
>>>>>> So schedutil was selecting a lower frequency when cfs was running
>>>>>> whereas the CPU was fully used.
>>>>>> The same can happen with thermal:
>>>>>> cap the max freq because of thermal
>>>>>> the utilization with decrease.
>>>>>> remove the cap
>>>>>> the utilization is still low and you will select a low OPP because you
>>>>>> don't take into account cycle stolen by thermal like with RT
>>>>>
>>>>> What if we scale frequency component considering the capped temporary
>>>>> max?
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean using a kind of scale_thermal_capacity in accumulate_sum
>>>> when computing utilization ?
>>>
>>> Yeah, something like that I guess. So that we account for temporary
>>> "fake" 1024..
>>
>> But the utilization will not be invariant anymore across the system
> 
> Mmm, I guess I might be wrong, but I was thinking we should be able to
> deal with this similarly to what we do with cpus with different max
> capacities. So, another factor?  Because then, how do we handle other
> ways in which max freq can be restricted (e.g. from userspace as Javi
> was also mentioning)?

IMHO, user-space restrictions should be handled separately. It should
probably reflect as an update of capacity_orig and rebuilding of
scheduler structures as such a restriction is meant to stay for a long
duration.

Regards
Thara
> 


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Regards
Thara