netdev - Re: [PATCH] fix race in AF

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Date:	Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:44:07 +0200
From:	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@...redi.hu>
To:	davem@...emloft.net
CC:	akpm@...ux-foundation.org, viro@....linux.org.uk,
	alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fix race in AF_UNIX

> > > > And is anyone working on a better patch?
> > > 
> > > I have no idea.
> > > 
> > > > Those patches aren't "bad" in the correctness sense.  So IMO any one
> > > > of them is better, than having that bug in there.
> > > 
> > > You're adding a very serious performance regression, which is
> > > about as bad as the bug itself.
> > 
> > No, correctness always trumps performance.
> 
> To a point.  There is no black and white in this world.
> 
> > Lost packets on an AF_UNIX socket are _unexceptable_, and this is
> > definitely not a theoretical problem.
> 
> A lot of people will consider having all of their AF_UNIX sockets on
> their 64 cpu system just stop when garbage collection runs to be
> unacceptable as well.

Garbage collection only ever happens, if the app is sending AF_UNIX
sockets over AF_UNIX sockets.  Which is a rather rare case.  And which
is basically why this bug went unnoticed for so long.

So my second patch only affects the performance of _exactly_ those
apps which might well be bitten by the bug itself.

> Secondarily, this bug has been around for years and nobody noticed.
> The world will not explode if this bug takes a few more days or
> even a week to work out.  Let's do it right instead of ramming
> arbitrary turds into the kernel.

Fine, but just wishing a bug to get fixed won't accomplish anything.
I've spent a fair amount of time debugging this thing, and I'm out of
ideas.  Really.  So unless somebody steps up to look at this, it won't
_ever_ get fixed.

Miklos
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