netdev - Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures

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Date:	Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:28:42 +0530 (IST)
From:	Satyam Sharma <satyam@...radead.org>
To:	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@...oo.com.au>
cc:	Stefan Richter <stefanr@...6.in-berlin.de>,
	paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@...dor.apana.org.au>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@...ba.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all
 architectures



On Fri, 17 Aug 2007, Nick Piggin wrote:

> Stefan Richter wrote:
> [...]
> Just use spinlocks if you're not absolutely clear about potential
> races and memory ordering issues -- they're pretty cheap and simple.

I fully agree with this. As Paul Mackerras mentioned elsewhere,
a lot of authors sprinkle atomic_t in code thinking they're somehow
done with *locking*. This is sad, and I wonder if it's time for a
Documentation/atomic-considered-dodgy.txt kind of document :-)


> > Sure, now
> > that I learned of these properties I can start to audit code and insert
> > barriers where I believe they are needed, but this simply means that
> > almost all occurrences of atomic_read will get barriers (unless there
> > already are implicit but more or less obvious barriers like msleep).
> 
> You might find that these places that appear to need barriers are
> buggy for other reasons anyway. Can you point to some in-tree code
> we can have a look at?

Such code was mentioned elsewhere (query nodemgr_host_thread in cscope)
that managed to escape the requirement for a barrier only because of
some completely un-obvious compilation-unit-scope thing. But I find such
an non-explicit barrier quite bad taste. Stefan, do consider plunking an
explicit call to barrier() there.


Satyam
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