netdev - Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs

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Date:	Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:54:30 +0100
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
To:	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...senPartnership.com>
Cc:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, rdunlap@...otime.net,
	akpm@...ux-foundation.org, protasnb@...il.com,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	alsa-devel@...a-project.org, linux-ide@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-pcmcia@...ts.infradead.org,
	linux-input@...ey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
	bugme-daemon@...zilla.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs


* James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@...senPartnership.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 11:56 -0800, David Miller wrote:
> > From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
> > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:08:47 +0100
> > 
> > > In fact this thread is the very example: David points out that on netdev 
> > > some of those bugs were already discussed and resolved. Had it been all 
> > > on lkml we'd all be aware of it.
> > 
> > That's a rediculious argument.
> > 
> > One other reason these bugs are resolved, is that the networking 
> > developers only need to subscribe to netdev and not have to listen 
> > to all the noise on lkml.
> > 
> > People who want to manage bugs know what list to look on and contact 
> > about problems.
> > 
> > Dumping even more crap on lkml is not the answer.
> 
> I agree totally with David, and this goes for SCSI too.  If it's not 
> reported on linux-scsi, there's a significant chance of us missing the 
> bug report.  The fact that some people notice bugs go past on LKML and 
> forward them to linux-scsi is a happy accident and not necessarily 
> something to rely on.
> 
> LKML has 10-20x the traffic of linux-scsi and a much smaller signal to 
> noise ratio.  Having a specialist list where all the experts in the 
> field hangs out actually enhances our ability to fix bugs.

you are actually proving my point. People have to scan lkml for SCSI 
regressions _anyway_, because otherwise _you_ would miss them. In the 
case a user is fortunate enough to realize that a regression is SCSI 
related, and he is lucky enough to pre-select the SCSI mailing list in 
the first go, he might get a fix from you. That already reduces the 
number of useful bugreports by about an order of magnitude.

	Ingo
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