netdev - Re: [PATCH RFC] v2 expedited "big hammer" RCU grace periods

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Date:	Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:22:55 +0200
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
To:	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...ymtl.ca>
Cc:	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	netfilter-devel@...r.kernel.org, akpm@...ux-foundation.org,
	torvalds@...ux-foundation.org, davem@...emloft.net,
	dada1@...mosbay.com, zbr@...emap.net, jeff.chua.linux@...il.com,
	paulus@...ba.org, laijs@...fujitsu.com, jengelh@...ozas.de,
	r000n@...0n.net, benh@...nel.crashing.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] v2 expedited "big hammer" RCU grace periods


* Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...ymtl.ca> wrote:

> * Ingo Molnar (mingo@...e.hu) wrote:
> > 
> > * Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Second cut of "big hammer" expedited RCU grace periods, but only 
> > > for rcu_bh.  This creates another softirq vector, so that entering 
> > > this softirq vector will have forced an rcu_bh quiescent state (as 
> > > noted by Dave Miller).  Use smp_call_function() to invoke 
> > > raise_softirq() on all CPUs in order to cause this to happen.  
> > > Track the CPUs that have passed through a quiescent state (or gone 
> > > offline) with a cpumask.
> > 
> > hm, i'm still asking whether doing this would be simpler via a 
> > reschedule vector - which not only is an existing facility but also 
> > forces all RCU domains through a quiescent state - not just bh-RCU 
> > participants.
> > 
> > Triggering a new softirq is in no way simpler that doing an SMP 
> > cross-call - in fact softirqs are a finite resource so using some 
> > other facility would be preferred.
> > 
> > Am i missing something?
> > 
> 
> I think the reason for this whole thread is that waiting for rcu 
> quiescent state, when called many times e.g. in multiple iptables 
> invokations, takes too longs (5 seconds to load the netfilter 
> rules at boot). [...]

I'm aware of the problem space.

I was suggesting that to trigger the quiescent state and to wait for 
it to propagate it would be enough to reuse the reschedule 
mechanism.

It would be relatively straightforward: first a send-reschedule then 
do a wait_task_context_switch() on rq->curr - both are existing 
primitives. (a task reference has to be taken but that's pretty much 
all)

By the time wait_task_context_switch() returns from the last CPU we 
know that the quiescent state has passed.

	Ingo
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