Date:	Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:57:44 +0000
From:	Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@...arflare.com>
To:	Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@...el.com>
Cc:	Santwona Behera <santwona.behera@....com>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ethtool PATCH 2/2] Add RX packet classification interface

On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 09:04 -0800, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> On 3/7/2011 7:57 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 11:09 -0800, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> >> On 2/28/2011 4:35 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 12:52 -0800, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>>>>>                                  } else
> >>>>>>                                          show_usage(1);
> >>>>>>                                  break;
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't think the same options (-n, -N) should be used both for flow
> >>>>> hashing and n-tuple flow steering/filtering.  This command-line
> >>>>> interface and the structure used in the ethtool API just seem to reflect
> >>>>> the implementation in the niu driver.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (In fact I would much prefer it if the -u and -U options could be used
> >>>>> for both the rxnfc and rxntuple interfaces.  But I haven't thought about
> >>>>> how the differences in functionality would be exposed to or hidden from
> >>>>> the user.)
> >>>>
> >>>> I was kind of thinking about merging the two interfaces too, but I was
> >>>> looking at it more from the perspective of moving away from ntuple more
> >>>> towards this newer interface.  My main motivation being that the filter
> >>>> display option is so badly broken for ntuple that it would be easier to
> >>>> make ntuple a subset of the flow classifier instead of the other way around.
> >>>>
> >>>> What would you think of using the "flow-type" keyword to indicate legacy
> >>>> ntuple support, and then adding something like "class-rule-add", and
> >>>> "class-rule-del" to add support for the network flow classifier calls?
> >>>
> >>> I really don't want to introduce different syntax for functionality that
> >>> is common between the two command sets.  The user should not have to
> >>> know that driver A implements interface I and driver B implements
> >>> interface J, except that since version 2.6.y driver A implements
> >>> interface J too.
> >>>
> >>> Surely it is possible to try one interface, then the other, when the
> >>> requested filter can be implemented either way?
> >>
> >> The problem is that the interfaces are different in the way they
> >> implement their masks.  N-tuple defines the mask as 0s mean inclusion,
> >> 1s, mean exclusion.
> >
> > You have got to be kidding me!
> >
> > If this is the case, then the current kernel-doc for
> > ethtool_rx_flow_spec::m_u is incorrect.
> 
> That would be the case.  The m_u for ethtool_rx_flow_spec is 0 for bits 
> to be ignored.  It is one of the things I really liked about that since 
> in combination with the way the original patch generated the masks it 
> would mean no goofy bit setting workarounds.
> 
> I think the documentation was added after the ethtool_rx_flow_spec and 
> ethtool_rx_ntuple_flow_spec were and it looks like whoever added it 
> probably assumed it worked the same way as ntuple.  I can probably 
> submit an updated patch to correct the kernel-doc for that.

I added that documentation.  Since I missed the original rxnfc patch for
ethtool, from which I could have inferred the correct semantics of the
masks, I assumed that they were interrpeted the same as in
ethtool_rx_ntuple_flow_spec.

[...]
> Actually now that I am thinking about it I could probably just ignore 
> location for rules that end up being processed via ntuple.
> 
> The only time where location really matters is if you are attempting to 
> overwrite an existing rule and I am not sure how that would be handled 
> in ntuple anyway since right now adding additional rules via ntuple for 
> ixgbe just results in duplicate rules being defined.

As I understand it, the location also determines the *priority* for the
rule.  Which is why I wrote that "@fs.@...ation specifies the index to
use and must not be ignored."

To support hardware where the filter table is hash-based rather than a
TCAM, we would need some kind of flag or special value of location that
means 'wherever'.

> The idea I have for this now is to just record everything using the 
> ethtool_rx_flow_spec.  With it extended to support VLAN and 64 bytes of 
> data we should be able to just store everything in the one structure, 
> try recording it to the hardware via the nfc interface, if that fails 
> then copy the values except for location into a ntuple structure, and 
> attempt to write it via the ntuple interface.

Right.

Ben.

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