Date:	Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:51:24 +0100
From:	Hans Schillstrom <hans.schillstrom@...csson.com>
To:	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>
CC:	Hagen Paul Pfeifer <hagen@...u.net>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
	"equinox@...c24.net" <equinox@...c24.net>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: RFC Hanging clean-up of a namespace

On Friday 20 January 2012 11:08:37 Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Hans Schillstrom <hans.schillstrom@...csson.com> writes:
> 
> > On Thursday 19 January 2012 22:40:53 Hagen Paul Pfeifer wrote:
> >> * Eric W. Biederman | 2012-01-19 13:24:13 [-0800]:
> >> 
> >> >This thread is a fascinating disconnect from reality all of the way
> >> >around.
> >> >
> >> >- inet_twsk_purge already implements throwing out of timewait sockets
> >> >  when a network namespaces is being cleaned up.  So the RFC is nonsense.
> >> 
> >> This is how it is implemented, not how it should be. TIME_WAIT is not the
> >> problem, it is there to keep the stack from sending wrong RST messages. Maybe
> >> the 2*MSL could be fixed by a more accurate 2*RTT.
> >> 
> >
> > I was only refering to my printk's i.e. the last sockets leaving the namespace was
> > from tcp_timer() with state 7, 2 minutes after free_nsproxy() was called.
> > (and assumed that was the time_wait)
> 
> Which kernel are you running?  

 3.2.0 

> I can't find a mention of a function
> named tcp_timer() anywhere in the kernel since 2.6.16 when the kernel
> was put into git.

Sorry, it was tcp_write_timer() in tcp_timer.c

> 
> There is a file named net/ipv4/tcp_timer.c
> 
> But if you are actually describing normal sockets and not timewait
> sockets then it is remotely possible that something like what you are
> talking about is happening. 

Hmm, state 7 is TCP_CLOSE I simply assumed that it was TCP_WAIT ...


> Normal sockets keep the network namespace
> alive.  So if something was keeping the sockets open.  Like perhaps a
> process that has one of your sockets from your network namespace open
> then it could happen.

We had a number of procs. with tcp connections open, and kill proc 1 (lxc-init)
i.e. all procs. in the ns got killed within a few ms. 
(or at least no visible traces left)

> nsproxy is not the only place that references to the network namespace
> are allowed to live that keep the network namespace alive.
> 
> >> >- Keeping the timewait sockets at that point we purge them in the code
> >> >  can achieve nothing.  We don't have any userspace processes or network
> >> >  devices associated with the timewait sockets at the point we get rid
> >> >  of them.  The network namespace exists so long as a userspace process
> >> >  can find it.  The network namespace exit is asynchronous in it's own
> >> >  workqueue so userspace definitely is not blocked.
> >> 
> >
> > One example of a real life problem is when a container crash where a VLAN from
> > a physical interface is used in the container, and you automatically reboot
> > that container.  A new namespace is created with that VLAN again and what happens ?
> > That VLAN id is busy (waiting for tcp_timer) and the continer start fails ...
> > So you have to wait a couple of minutes :-(
> 
> Yes the vlan is busy until that the network namespace is cleaned up, and
> we get as far as calling dellink on the network namespace.
> 
> There are a lot of reasons why a network namespace would not be cleaned
> up immediately.  Especially in older kernels.
> 
> One problem people running older kernels had troubles with was vsftp
> created an empty network namespace for every connection.  On kernels pre
> 2.6.34 I think before we had batching support for cleaning up network
> devices and network namespaces the kernel could simply not keep up with
> the rate that vsftp was creating and destroying network namespaces, and
> would slowly fall farther and farther behind in it's cleanup.
> 
> If you are running an older kernel it is quite possible that you are
> missing some cleanups.  It is also possible that you are hitting one of
> the cases where we can only destroy 4 network devices a second and you
> have lots of network devices dying with your network namespace.
> 

We started with 2.6.32 but the cleanup process didn't work we always end up
with ref-counts on loopback

Thanks
Hans
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