Date:	Fri, 7 Sep 2012 00:09:13 +0800
From:	Ming Lei <tom.leiming@...il.com>
To:	Bjørn Mork <bjorn@...k.no>
Cc:	Oliver Neukum <oneukum@...e.de>, alexey.orishko@...ricsson.com,
	netdev@...r.kernel.org, linux-usb@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: changing usbnet's API to better deal with cdc-ncm

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Bjørn Mork <bjorn@...k.no> wrote:
> Ming Lei <tom.leiming@...il.com> writes:
>> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Oliver Neukum <oneukum@...e.de> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> looking at cdc-ncm it seeems to me that cdc-ncm is forced to play
>>> very dirty games because usbnet doesn't have a notion about aggregating
>>> packets for a single transfer.
>>
>> The Ethernet API we are using does not support transmitting multiple Ethernet
>> frames in a single call, so the aggregation things should be done inside low
>> level driver, in fact it is just what some wlan(802.11n) drivers have
>> been doing.
>>
>> IMO, the current .tx_fixup is intelligent enough to handle aggregation:
>>
>>       - return a skb_out for sending if low level drivers think it is
>> ready to send
>>         the aggregated frames
>>      -  return NULL if  the low level drivers think they need to wait
>> for more frames
>>
>> Of course, the low level drivers need to start a timer to trigger sending
>> remainder frames in case of timeout and no further frames come from
>> upper protocol stack.
>>
>> Looks the introduced .tx_bundle is not necessary since .tx_fixup is OK.
>
> The minidriver does not have any information about tx in progress.  The

Inside .tx_fixup, the low level driver will get the tx progress information.

> strategy above, which is what cdc_ncm uses today, is fine as long as you
> always want to wait as long as you always want to fill as many frames as
> possible in each packet.  But what if the queue is empty and the device

For cdc_ncm, the wait time is controlled by cdc_ncm driver, see
cdc_ncm_tx_timeout_start().

> is just sitting there doing nothing while you are waiting for more
> frames?  Then you are just adding unnecessary latency.

As said above, cdc_ncm can control the latency by itself.

>
> There are also several usbnet minidrivers for protocols with frame
> aggregation support.  Most of them do not currently implement tx
> aggregation, possibly due to the complexity.  This makes a common
> aggregation framework interesting in any case.  Reimplementing similar
> loginc in multiple minidrivers is meaningless.

If we can abstract some common things about aggregation, it should be
meaningful. As far as I know, most of aggregation protocol is very different,
so almost all aggregation work is only done by low level driver, such as
cdc_ncm.

If we want to implement some aggregation framework, maybe below is
one solution, correct me if it is wrong.

usbnet_start_xmit():

	to_send = info->tx_bundle(in_skb, &out_skb)
	if (!to_send) {
		usbnet_tx_timeout_start(usbnet);
		goto not_drop;
	}
	skb = info->tx_fixup(dev, out_skb, GFP_ATOMIC);	
	...

Looks the above is no much advantage than doing bundling in .tx_fixup
just like cdc_ncm.

>
> I believe Oliver is adding very useful functionality to usbnet here.
> Functionality which at least cdc_ncm and possibly other existing
> minidrivers can take advantage of immediately.  There also seems to be a

Sorry, I don't know other minidrivers, and is there some common
things in building aggregation with cdc_ncm?

Considered that the patch doesn't implement wait_for_more, suggest
Oliver to post a new one with basic wait_for_more support for further
discussion.

Thanks,
-- 
Ming Lei
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