Date:	Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:18:06 +0400
From:	Alexey Perevalov <a.perevalov@...sung.com>
To:	Daniel Wagner <wagi@...om.org>
Cc:	Glauber Costa <glommer@...allels.com>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	cgroups@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [net-next RFC v2] net_cls: traffic counter based on classification
 control cgroup

On 11/28/2012 12:09 PM, Daniel Wagner wrote:
> Hi Alexey,
>
> On 28.11.2012 06:21, Alexey Perevalov wrote:
>>>> Daniel Wagner is working on something a lot similar.
>>> Yes, basically what I try to do is explained by this excellent article
>>>
>>> https://lwn.net/Articles/523058/
>> I read articles and agreed with aspects.
>> But problem of selecting preferred network for application can be solved
>> using netprio cgroup.
> Choosing the which network to connect to is job of a connection manager.
> I don't see how a cgroup controller can help you there. I guess I do not
> understand your statement. Can you rephrase please?
I meant choosing preferred network interface for application's traffic.
I can be done by metric in routing table or (I wrote) by netprio cgroup.

>
>>> The second implementation is adding a new iptables matcher which matches
>>> on LSM contexts. Then you can do something like this:
>>>
>>> iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -m secmark --secctx
>>> unconfined_u:unconfined_r:foo_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 -j MARK --set-mark 200
>> As I understand in LSM context it works for egress and ingress.
> Yes, I am using CONNMARK in conjunction with the the above LSM context
> matcher. I am still playing around, but it looks quite promising.
>
>>>> 2) When Daniel exposed his use case to me, it gave me the impression
>>>> that "counting traffic" is something that is totally doable by having a
>>>> dedicated interface in a separate namespace. Basically, we already count
>>>> traffic (rx and tx) for all interfaces anyway, so it suggests that it
>>>> could be an interesting way to see the problem.
>>> Moving applications into separate net namespaces is for sure a valid
>>> solution.
>>> Though there is a one drawback in this approach. The namespaces need
>>> to be
>>> attached to a bridge and then some NATting. That means every application
>>> would get it's own IP address. This might be okay for your certain use
>>> cases but I am still trying to work around this. Glauber and I had some
>>> discussion about this and he suggested to allow the physical networking
>>> device to be attached to several namespaces (e.g. via macvlan). Every
>>> namespace would get the same IP address. Unfortunately, this would
>>> result in
>>> the same mess as several physical devices on a network get the same
>>> IP address assigned.
>> Is I truly understand what to make statistics works we need to put
>> process to separate namespace?
> If a process lives in its own network namespace then you can
> count the packets/bytes on the network interface level. The side effect
> is that is that each namespace is obviously a new network and has to be
> treated as such.
>
>> Approach to keep counter in cgroup hasn't such side effects, but it has
>> another ).
> cgroups are not for free. Currently a lot of effort is put into getting
> a reasonable performance and behavior into cgroups. In this situation
> any new feature added to cgroups will need a pretty good justification
> why it is needed and why it cant be done with existing infrastructure.
I want to figure out in yours proposed design:

    +------------------------------------------------+
    |network namespace1: pid1, pid2,...              |
    |                                                | 
+---------------------------+
    |   network stack,          network iface        | 
|                           |
    |       nf hooks                                 +------->| physical 
network          |
    +------------------------------------------------+        | 
interface            |
|                           |
|                           |
    +------------------------------------------------+ 
|                           |
    |network namespace2: pid1, pid2,...              | 
|                           |
    | +------->|                           |
    |   network stack,          network iface        | 
|                           |
    |       nf hooks                                 | 
|                           |
    +------------------------------------------------+ 
|                           |
+---------------------------+
    ...                                                          ^
    +------------------------------------------------+           |
    |network namespace3: pid1, pid2,...              |           |
    |                                                |           |
    |   network stack,          network iface        +-----------+
    |       nf hooks                                 |
    +------------------------------------------------+


Question, in case of one physical networking device connected to several 
namespaces,
is it allow to tweak network packet scheduler (qdisc instance) using 
traffic control tool for one physical network interface?
The same question is about netfilter hooks. I have seen the code, it 
seems to me nf hooks is registering per network stack now.

CGroup framework has an notification mechanism based on eventfd. For 
example I can just send notification to user space about network activity.
Is there such mechanism in standard infrastructure to notify user space 
apps on activity on monitored application (maybe nf_queue)?
>
> Here is some background information on the state of cgroups:
>
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.containers/23698
Thank you, I have read.
It seems to me my patch has technical defect with inherited groups.

>
> cheers,
> daniel
>


-- 
BR,
Alexey
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