netdev - Re: Is fallback vhost_net to qemu for live migrate available？

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Date:	Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:55:56 +0300
From:	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>
To:	Wei Liu <wei.liu2@...rix.com>
Cc:	Qin Chuanyu <qinchuanyu@...wei.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@...emonkey.ws>, jasowang@...hat.com,
	KVM list <kvm@...r.kernel.org>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	qianhuibin@...wei.com,
	"xen-devel@...ts.xen.org" <xen-devel@...ts.xen.org>,
	wangfuhai@...wei.com, likunyun@...wei.com, liuyongan@...wei.com,
	liuyingdong@...wei.com
Subject: Re: Is fallback vhost_net to qemu for live migrate available？

On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 09:40:48AM +0100, Wei Liu wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 09:28:11AM +0800, Qin Chuanyu wrote:
> > On 2013/9/2 15:57, Wei Liu wrote:
> > >On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:45:11PM +0800, Qin Chuanyu wrote:
> > >>On 2013/8/30 0:08, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> > >>>Hi Qin,
> > >>
> > >>>>By change the memory copy and notify mechanism ，currently virtio-net with
> > >>>>vhost_net could run on Xen with good performance。
> > >>>
> > >>>I think the key in doing this would be to implement a property
> > >>>ioeventfd and irqfd interface in the driver domain kernel.  Just
> > >>>hacking vhost_net with Xen specific knowledge would be pretty nasty
> > >>>IMHO.
> > >>>
> > >>Yes, I add a kernel module which persist virtio-net pio_addr and
> > >>msix address as what kvm module did. Guest wake up vhost thread by
> > >>adding a hook func in evtchn_interrupt.
> > >>
> > >>>Did you modify the front end driver to do grant table mapping or is
> > >>>this all being done by mapping the domain's memory?
> > >>>
> > >>There is nothing changed in front end driver. Currently I use
> > >>alloc_vm_area to get address space， and map the domain's memory as
> > >>what what qemu did.
> > >>
> > >
> > >You mean you're using xc_map_foreign_range and friends in the backend to
> > >map guest memory? That's not very desirable as it violates Xen's
> > >security model. It would not be too hard to pass grant references
> > >instead of guest physical memory address IMHO.
> > >
> > In fact, I did what virtio-net have done in Qemu. I think security
> > is a pseudo question because Dom0 is under control.
> > 
> 
> Consider that you might have driver domains. Not every domain is under
> control or trusted.

I don't see anything that will prevent using driver domains here.

> Also consider that security model like XSM can be
> used to audit operations to enhance security so your foreign mapping
> approach might not always work.

It could be nice to have as an option, sure.
XSM is disabled by default though so I don't think lack of support for
that makes it a prototype.

> In short term foreign mapping can save you some time implementing the
> prototype.
> In long term using grant table is the proper way to go. And
> IMHO the benifit outweights the cost.
> 
> Wei.

I'm guessing direct access could be quite a bit faster.
But someone would have to implement your idea in order to
do a cost/benefit analysis.

> > Host could access memory of guest in KVM much easier than Xen,
> > but I hadn't heard someone said KVM is un-secret.
> > 
> > Regards
> > Qin chuanyu
> > 
> > 
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