Date:	Wed, 21 Jan 2015 11:38:26 +0000
From:	Hiroshi Shimamoto <h-shimamoto@...jp.nec.com>
To:	"Skidmore, Donald C" <donald.c.skidmore@...el.com>,
	Bjørn Mork <bjorn@...k.no>
CC:	"e1000-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net" 
	<e1000-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"Choi, Sy Jong" <sy.jong.choi@...el.com>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Hayato Momma <h-momma@...jp.nec.com>
Subject: RE: [E1000-devel] [PATCH 1/2] if_link: Add VF multicast promiscuous
	mode control

> Subject: RE: [E1000-devel] [PATCH 1/2] if_link: Add VF multicast promiscuous mode control
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hiroshi Shimamoto [mailto:h-shimamoto@...jp.nec.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 5:07 PM
> > To: Skidmore, Donald C; Bjørn Mork
> > Cc: e1000-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net; netdev@...r.kernel.org; Choi, Sy
> > Jong; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org; Hayato Momma
> > Subject: RE: [E1000-devel] [PATCH 1/2] if_link: Add VF multicast promiscuous
> > mode control
> >
> > > Subject: RE: [E1000-devel] [PATCH 1/2] if_link: Add VF multicast
> > > promiscuous mode control
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Hiroshi Shimamoto [mailto:h-shimamoto@...jp.nec.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:40 PM
> > > > To: Bjørn Mork
> > > > Cc: e1000-devel@...ts.sourceforge.net; netdev@...r.kernel.org; Choi,
> > > > Sy Jong; linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org; Hayato Momma
> > > > Subject: Re: [E1000-devel] [PATCH 1/2] if_link: Add VF multicast
> > > > promiscuous mode control
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] if_link: Add VF multicast promiscuous
> > > > > mode control
> > > > >
> > > > > Hiroshi Shimamoto <h-shimamoto@...jp.nec.com> writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Hiroshi Shimamoto <h-shimamoto@...jp.nec.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Add netlink directives and ndo entry to control VF multicast
> > > > > > promiscuous
> > > > mode.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Intel ixgbe and ixgbevf driver can handle only 30 multicast MAC
> > > > > > addresses per VF. It means that we cannot assign over 30 IPv6
> > > > > > addresses to a single VF interface on VM. We want thousands IPv6
> > > > addresses in VM.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There is capability of multicast promiscuous mode in Intel 82599 chip.
> > > > > > It enables all multicast packets are delivered to the target VF.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This patch prepares to control that VF multicast promiscuous
> > > > functionality.
> > > > >
> > > > > Adding a new hook for this seems over-complicated to me.  And it
> > > > > still doesn't solve the real problems that
> > > > >  a) the user has to know about this limit, and
> > > > >  b) manually configure the feature
> > > > >
> > > > > Most of us, lacking the ability to imagine such arbitrary hardware
> > > > > limitations, will go through a few hours of frustrating debugging
> > > > > before we figure this one out...
> > > > >
> > > > > Why can't the ixgbevf driver just automatically signal the ixgbe
> > > > > driver to enable multicast promiscuous mode whenever the list
> > > > > grows past the limit?
> > > >
> > > > I had submitted a patch to change ixgbe and ixgbevf driver for this issue.
> > > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/11/27/269
> > > >
> > > > The previous patch introduces API between ixgbe and ixgbevf driver
> > > > to enable multicast promiscuous mode, and ixgbevf enables it
> > > > automatically if the number of addresses is over than 30.
> > >
> > > I believe the issue is with allowing a VF to automatically enter
> > > Promiscuous Multicast without the PF's ok is concern
> >
> > So you mean that we should take care about enabling VF multicast
> > promiscuous mode in host side, right? The host allows multicast promiscuous
> > and VF requests it too, then enables VF multicast promiscuous mode.
> > So, what is preferred way to do in host do you think?
> 
> I think we are saying the same thing.  I believe it would be fine if the VF requests this to happen (threw a mailbox message
> like you set up) and the PF will do it if the systems policy has been set up that way (as you did with the control mode).
> 
> This way the behavior (related to multicast) is the same as it has been, unless the system has been setup specifically
> to allow VF multicast promiscuous mode.

Now I understand what you're saying.
Will make patches that make knob in host/PF and ixgbe/ixgbevf interface.
I think I should try to find whether there is a way to make the know without ndo.

> 
> I know it's been mentioned that this is onerous on those who want this behavior to be automatic, but I don't see how else
> it could be done and take account for people that are concerned about allowing a (possibly untrusted) VM promoting itself
> in to multicast promiscuous mode.

I didn't mind its onerousness so much.
My concern is what is the real issue that VF multicast promiscuous mode can cause.
I think there is the 4k entries to filter multicast address, and the current ixgbe/ixgbevf
can turn all bits on from VM. That is almost same as enabling multicast promiscuous mode.
I mean that we can receive all multicast addresses by an onerous operation in untrusted VM.
I think we should clarify what is real security issue in this context.

thanks,
Hiroshi

> 
> >
> > > over VM isolation.   Of course that isolation, when it comes to multicast, is
> > rather limited anyway given that our multicast
> > > filter uses only 12-bit of the address for a match.  Still this (or
> > > doing it by default) would only open that up considerably more (all
> > > multicasts).  I assume for your application you're not concerned, but are
> > there other use cases that would worry about such things?
> >
> > Sorry I couldn't catch the point.
> >
> > What is the issue? I think there is no difference for the users who don't want
> > many multicast addresses in guest. In the current implementation,
> > overflowed multicast addresses silently discarded in ixgbevf. I believe there
> > is no user who want to use over 30 multicast addresses now. If VF multicast
> > promiscuous mode is enabled in certain VF, the behavior of other VFs is not
> > changed.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Hiroshi
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Don Skidmore <donald.c.skidmore@...el.com>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I got some comment and I would like to clarify the point, but there
> > > > was no answer.
> > > > That's the reason I submitted this patch.
> > > >
> > > > Do you think a patch for the ixgbe/ixgbevf driver is preferred?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > > Hiroshi
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd also like to note that this comment in
> > > > > drivers/net/ethernet/intel/ixgbevf/vf.c
> > > > > indicates that the author had some ideas about how more than 30
> > > > > addresses could/should be handled:
> > > > >
> > > > > static s32 ixgbevf_update_mc_addr_list_vf(struct ixgbe_hw *hw,
> > > > > 					  struct net_device *netdev)
> > > > > {
> > > > > 	struct netdev_hw_addr *ha;
> > > > > 	u32 msgbuf[IXGBE_VFMAILBOX_SIZE];
> > > > > 	u16 *vector_list = (u16 *)&msgbuf[1];
> > > > > 	u32 cnt, i;
> > > > >
> > > > > 	/* Each entry in the list uses 1 16 bit word.  We have 30
> > > > > 	 * 16 bit words available in our HW msg buffer (minus 1 for the
> > > > > 	 * msg type).  That's 30 hash values if we pack 'em right.  If
> > > > > 	 * there are more than 30 MC addresses to add then punt the
> > > > > 	 * extras for now and then add code to handle more than 30 later.
> > > > > 	 * It would be unusual for a server to request that many multi-cast
> > > > > 	 * addresses except for in large enterprise network environments.
> > > > > 	 */
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The last 2 lines of that comment are of course totally bogus and
> > > > > pointless and should be deleted in any case...  It's obvious that
> > > > > 30 multicast addresses is ridiculously low for lots of normal use cases.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bjørn

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