Date:	Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:27:24 -0700
From:	roopa <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>
To:	John Fastabend <john.r.fastabend@...el.com>
CC:	Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>,
	"Arad, Ronen" <ronen.arad@...el.com>,
	Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	Scott Feldman <sfeldma@...il.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] rocker: check for BRIDGE_FLAGS_SELF in bridge
 setlink handler

On 3/17/15, 7:31 AM, John Fastabend wrote:
> On 03/17/2015 12:00 AM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 11:01:30PM CET, john.fastabend@...il.com wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> If this position is accepted, it would be best to enforce it, possibly in
>>>>> rtnl_bridge_setlink().
>>>>> My recollection is that others asked to preserve use-cases where SELF flag
>>>>> is used for targeting port devices directly without using a bridge device.
>>>> I know it is possible, and it is incorrect and hacky. But it is part of
>>>> user api :/ I think we should not abuse this more in the future and
>>>> rather make the api correct and use that.
>>>>
>>> Working my way through my backlog of email sorry for the days delay.
>>>
>>> Jiri, are you suggesting it is incorrect to configure the hardware L2
>>> independent of bridge device? There is absolutely use cases for this.
>>>
>>> The case being we want the hardware to do L2 learning via fdb and then
>>> when flows get 'trapped' into software we want to handle them
>>> differently. Possibly send them onto a specific application for logging.
>> Yes, but that can be done in transparent way, exposing hw ports, having
>> them in bridge/ovs/whatever. Same as we do with rocker.
>>
> My point is you don't want a bridge in software at all. So I don't
> understand the "transparent" way. In this case you want to configure
> the hardware to do l2 bridge and put the ports in some other objects
> for simplicity consider a OVS instance in software. In this model
> the ports are attached to the software OVS and we do not want to
> "transparently" offload any of OVS to hardware.
>
> Also ports can not be in both an OVS instance and bridge instance.
>
>                    +----+----+
>                    |   OVS   |      <- netdevs mapped to sw ovs, not offoaded
>                    +----+----+
>                       |    |
>                     sw0p1 sw0p2     <- netdev representing hardware ports
>                       |    |
>               +----+----+----+---+
>               |    L2 hw bridge  |  <- l2 hardware bridge managed via netlink
>               +----+----+----+---+
>
> In many cases it doesn't make any sense to fall back to software.
> You can't have a 100Gbps links "falling" back onto the kernel datapath.
> And in these environments having ports attached to a "transparent" bridge
> breaks. Worse the management CPU is usually something light, its not
> typically a quad socket top of line CPU where you might have a chance.
>
> Nothing is broke at the moment because we have the "self" flag. I'm
> responding to you "incorrect and hacky" comment. Similarly we are
> going to need a flag for L3 that puts the rule in hardware or fails.
> Just like L2 we can't have L3 being sent into software its not a
> viable fallback path in many use cases. And doing it "transparently"
> so that the controlling agent is unaware it is offloaded makes it
> difficult to manage the system. I think the "transparent" model only
> works for smallish devices, home routers and the likes.
>

I have not followed Jiri's and your exchange of comments fully yet.
If it helps I just wanted to clarify the part where the word 
'transparency' was introduced in this thread:

This is in the context of traversing lower devices to get to the switch 
port (example, a bond with switch ports as slaves and you want to reach 
the slaves via the bond).

Its was not in the context of whether the kernel bridge driver is used 
or not for l2 offload.
Understand that there are l2 nics which are programmed today by directly 
going to the driver
bypassing the bridge driver. and these are programmed with 'self' today.

Even for offloads that use the in kernel bridge driver (switch devices 
eg rocker),
user can use  'self' to go directly to the switch driver. And this is 
required in some cases
where you want a bridge port attribute to be different than the 
in-kernel bridge port attribute.
eg learning.

bridge link set dev swp1 learning off   (sets learning off in both 
in-kernel bridge and rocker)
bridge link set dev swp1 learning on self   (sets learning on in rocker)

To describe the stacked netdev/bridge port case which is the context of 
this thread,
a rocker port can be a slave of a bond and the bond can be a bridge 
port. In such cases you want
to traverse the bond lowerdevs to get to the rocker port to call into 
the switch driver.

bridge link set dev bond0 learning off   (sets learning off in both 
in-kernel bridge and rocker)
bridge link set dev bond0 learning on self   (sets learning on in rocker)

For the above to work, since rtnetlink.c calls the op on the port driver 
directly , bonding driver should implement
the required op.

But rtnetlink.c:rtnl_setlink(), can be changed to use the switchdev op 
below in the 'self' case (same api that jiri is trying to restore in 
this thread). This makes sure your l2 devices don't break and switchdev 
api is propagated transparently to the
switch port via the lowerdev list.

int netdev_switch_port_bridge_setlink(struct net_device *dev,
				      struct nlmsghdr *nlh, u16 flags)
{
	const struct net_device_ops *ops = dev->netdev_ops;
	struct net_device *lower_dev;
	struct list_head *iter;
	int ret = 0, err = 0;


	if (ops->ndo_bridge_setlink)
		return ops->ndo_bridge_setlink(dev, nlh, flags);

	netdev_for_each_lower_dev(dev, lower_dev, iter) {
		err = netdev_switch_port_bridge_setlink(lower_dev, nlh, flags);
		if (err)
			ret = err;
	}

	return ret;
}

Thanks,
Roopa




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