netdev - Re: [RFC 2/3] tc: deprecate TC_ACT

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Date:	Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:51:10 -0400
From:	Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@...atatu.com>
To:	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...mgrid.com>,
	Cong Wang <cwang@...pensource.com>
CC:	"David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
	John Fastabend <john.r.fastabend@...el.com>,
	netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/3] tc: deprecate TC_ACT_QUEUED

On 04/23/15 18:13, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On 4/23/15 1:45 PM, Jamal Hadi Salim wrote:

> then it is worse mess than I thought :(
> Why call it _qdisc_ then? and have special and convoluted handling for
> it in qdisc_create, qdisc_graft and other places?

Convinience for tooling and using existing abstractions is the
historical. You can attach qdiscs to netdevs.
You can then use all sorts of well understood tools.

>  > Are you planning to queue things on ingress?
>
> I thought that was the whole purpose of ingress qdisc.
> why then we have dev->ingress_queue?
>

So you are planning to add queues? If you are that is a different
discussion (and the use case needs some clarity).

> If queueing was never a goal, may be we should kill ingress qdisc
> and replace it with a simple shim that only does cls/act.
> The code overall will get much simpler and faster.
>

Attaching to the device was considered "simpler" based on the tooling
thought process. On whether we should queue on ingress - it was not
considered useful if the packets were going to the host i.e we want to
proceed to completion likely queueing to some socket layer further
upstream.
For packets being forwarded we already had egress qdiscs which had
queues so it didnt seem to make sense to enqueue on ingress for such
use cases.
There was a use case later where multiple ingress ports had to be shared
and ifb was born - which is pseudo temporary enqueueing on ingress.

> Feels like falling into rabbit hole.
>
>> The fact that qdiscs dealt with these codes directly
>> allows for specialized handling. Moving them to a generic function
>> seems to defeat that purpose. So I am siding with Cong on this.
>
> that's not what patch 1 is doing. It is still doing specialized
> handling... but in light of what you said above, it looks like much
> bigger cleanup is needed. We'll continue arguing when I refactor
> this set and resubmit when net-next reopens.
>

Sorry - i was refereing to the patch where you agregated things after
the qdisc invokes a classifier.

cheers,
jamal
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