Date:	Thu, 4 Jun 2015 19:46:59 +0100
From:	Robert Shearman <rshearma@...cade.com>
To:	Vivek Venkatraman <vivek@...ulusnetworks.com>
CC:	roopa <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
	Thomas Graf <tgraf@...g.ch>,
	Dinesh Dutt <ddutt@...ulusnetworks.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC net-next 3/3] mpls: new ipmpls device for encapsulating
 IP packets as mpls

On 03/06/15 19:43, Vivek Venkatraman wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Robert Shearman <rshearma@...cade.com> wrote:
>> On 02/06/15 19:57, roopa wrote:
>>>
>>> On 6/2/15, 9:33 AM, Robert Shearman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 02/06/15 17:15, roopa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/1/15, 9:46 AM, Robert Shearman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Allow creating an mpls device for the purposes of encapsulating IP
>>>>>> packets with:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     ip link add type ipmpls
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This device defines its per-nexthop encapsulation data as a stack of
>>>>>> labels, in the same format as for RTA_NEWST. It uses the encap data
>>>>>> which will have been stored in the IP route to encapsulate the packet
>>>>>> with that stack of labels, with the last label corresponding to a
>>>>>> local label that defines how the packet will be sent out. The device
>>>>>> sends packets over loopback to the local MPLS forwarding logic which
>>>>>> performs all of the work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe a silly question, but when you loop the packet back, what does the
>>>>> local MPLS forwarding logic
>>>>> lookup with ? It probably assumes there is a mpls route with that label
>>>>> and nexthop.
>>>>> Will this need any internal labels (thinking same label stack different
>>>>> tunnel device etc) ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it requires that local/internal labels have been allocated and
>>>> label routes installed in the label table for them.
>>>
>>> This is our only concern.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is entirely possible to put the outgoing interface into the encap
>>>> data to avoid having to allocate extra labels, but I did it this way
>>>> in order to support PIC Core for MPLS-VPN routes.
>>>
>>>
>>> hmm..., is a netdevice must in this case.., can you please elaborate on
>>> this ?.
>>
>>
>> Yes, the ipmpls device would still be used to perform the encapsulation,
>> transitioning from the IP forwarding path to the MPLS forwarding path.
>>
>
> Transitioning from IP forwarding to MPLS forwarding as you have here
> will certainly facilitate PIC core when another path exists to the
> edge. But it cannot deal with PIC edge, right?

Right, it won't allow to PIC edge to work as is, but it could be a step 
towards implementing PIC edge.

> Additionally, this
> approach would mean that the user's (iproute2) view would be rather
> strange - while the actual forwarding requires labels L1 and L2
> (bottom) to be pushed when forwarding to a destination, it would look
> as if labels L3 and L2 are pushed and then L3 is swapped with L1.

Right, but a level of indirection is required somehow. The natural level 
of indirection is the L3 nexthop, but that is more complicated and I 
don't know if that sort of change would be welcome.

> A different way to achieve PIC (core and edge) without transitioning
> from IP forwarding to MPLS forwarding may be to introduce the concept
> of an alternate nexthop with something (e.g., link status) determining
> which nexthop is used.

I'm not sure I understand. Could you elaborate on this?

Thanks,
Rob
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