Date:	Fri, 5 Jun 2015 16:26:08 +0100
From:	Robert Shearman <rshearma@...cade.com>
To:	roopa <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>, Thomas Graf <tgraf@...g.ch>
CC:	<ebiederm@...ssion.com>, <netdev@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH WIP RFC 0/3] mpls: support for ler

On 05/06/15 15:16, roopa wrote:
> On 6/5/15, 2:14 AM, Thomas Graf wrote:
>> On 06/03/15 at 07:21am, Roopa Prabhu wrote:
>>> From: Roopa Prabhu <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>
>>>
>>> This is still WIP and incomplete.
>>> Posting it here because of the other discussions
>>> happening around mpls ler in the context of Roberts
>>> code and I happened to mention this implementation.
>>>
>>> This was in response to earlier email thread with Eric on
>>> net-next of possibly using xfrm style stacked destination
>>> approach.
>>>
>>> I introduce a new set of tunnel ops for light weight
>>> tunnels (lwt), but this could be merged with the
>>> other ip_tunnels code if possible.
>>>
>>> I had this code for 3.2 kernel initially, and
>>> as I was pulling out code, I realize i had to separate
>>> out some other mpls code that i have been working on
>>> and quite likely this will not even compile. Sorry abt
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Roopa Prabhu <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>
>> Thanks for posting these patches Roopa!

Ditto, thanks Roopa!

>>
>> I see that some of the edges are still a bit rough. In particular
>> the lack of sanity checking around type before indexing the array
>> with it ;-)
> Oh..., sorry you had to see that :)
> (In my defense, ...i did successfully get some packets into the mpls
> tunnel with this though! :) )
>> No question that this would make a great optimization
>> on top of existing IP tunnels though! I think this is where Eric
>> was heading to and given this implementation, I'm perfectly fine
>> with it as it does not *require* to precompute the headers for all
>> encap types.
>>
>> This can be made compatible with the patches I have posted as well.
>> A simple flag in what you call rtencap could indicate whether to
>> perform the encap in the dst->output or merely attach the metadata
>> and forward it to RTA_OIF for postponed encapsulation.
>>
>> That way, if desirable by the user, the net_device can be omitted
>> which would suit Eric's architecture while we still also support
>> the traditional net_device model which provides stats and a shared
>> set of encapsulation parameters. It will also allow for bridges to
>> perform the encapsulation decision if needed and we can still get
>> rid of the OVS encapsulation special handling.
> yeah, that's a great idea.
>>
>> As I mentioned to Robert, the new RTA_ENCAP should be a list of
>> Netlink attributes from the beginning to make it extendible without
>> ever breaking user ABI.
> agreed.
>>
>> The most overlap seems to be with Robert's series. The direction
>> seems to be very similar. How do you want to proceed? Work on a
>> series together? I'm happy to rebase my series on top of both you
>> and Robert's work and make use of a new generic per nexthop
>> encapsulation API. Let me know how you guys want to proceed.
> Robert, pls let me know if you have a preference on how you want to
> proceed. One
> option is for me to use your git tree as a way to get my patches in.
> But, If we agree that we don't want to introduce a tunnel netdevice for
> mpls yet (which is our vote as well),
> then its probably better for me to rebase my changes on top of your
> series and
> re-submit (with proper attribution ofcourse).

It isn't clear to me what the strategy here is for dealing with tunnel 
encaps that aren't bound to an interface.

Thomas, I presume you would prefer not to force the user to keep track 
of changes to the output interface and nexthop corresponding to the 
destination of the outer IP header? And I presume that Eric is opposed 
to the option of using a virtual interface here, i.e. falling back to 
the approach I proposed?

In which case, what will the nexthop output interface be set to? 
Logically, it should have no interface. At the moment, the code assumes 
that a nexthop will have a valid interface and I don't have a feel for 
what the impact would be of changing that.

However, with that resolved I'd be happy to work on a series together. 
The remaining issue is whether to optimise for small encap that reside 
in the same memory block as the fib_info, which aren't refcounted but 
instead are copied around, or larger encaps that reside in their own 
memory block that are refcounted and only a pointer passed around. If 
the latter, then there really isn't much left in my patch series that 
can be reused, other than references to the places in the code that need 
to be changed to support multipath and to make fib_info matching work 
correctly.

> (Happy to take erics feedback as well here).
>
> Right now I am working on refining my patches and covering ipv6.
> I would be happy to make RTA_ENCAP nested...unless you would prefer to
> take that over.
> I have also been trying to see If i can reuse any infra from the
> existing ip_tunnel world.

Thanks,
Rob
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