netdev - Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 0/2] Add new switchdev device class

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Date:	Thu, 27 Aug 2015 01:14:19 -0700
From:	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>
To:	Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
CC:	sfeldma@...il.com, netdev@...r.kernel.org, davem@...emloft.net,
	f.fainelli@...il.com, roopa@...ulusnetworks.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 0/2] Add new switchdev device class

On 15-08-27 12:51 AM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
> Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 09:43:54AM CEST, john.fastabend@...il.com wrote:
>> On 15-08-27 12:27 AM, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>>> Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 09:16:44AM CEST, sfeldma@...il.com wrote:
>>>> From: Scott Feldman <sfeldma@...il.com>
>>>>
>>>> In the switchdev model, we use netdevs to represent switchdev ports, but we
>>>> have no representation for the switch itself.  So, introduce a new switchdev
>>>> device class so we can define semantics and programming interfaces for the
>>>> switch itself.  Switchdev device class isn't tied to any particular bus.
>>>>
>>>> This patch set is just the skeleton to get us started.  It adds the sysfs
>>>> object registration for the new class and defines a class-level attr "foo".
>>>> With the new class, we could hook PM functions, for example, to handle power
>>>> transitions at the switch level.  I registered rocker and get:
>>>>
>>>>   $ ls /sys/class/switchdev/5254001235010000/
>>>>   foo  power  subsystem  uevent
>>>
>>> No, please avoid adding anything to sysfs. If we need to add anything,
>>> lets make is accesible using Netlink only.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So what next?  I'd rather not build APIs around sysfs, so we need a netlink API
>>>> we can build on top of this.  It's not really rtnl.  Maybe genl would work?
>>>> What ever it is, we'd need to teach iproute2 about a new 'switch' command.
>>>>
>>>> Netlink API would allow us to represent switch-wide objects such as registers,
>>>> tables, stats, firmware, and maybe even control.  I think with with netlink
>>>> TLVs, we can create a framework for these objects but still allow the switch
>>>> driver provide switch-specific info.  For example, a table object:
>>>>
>>>> [TABLES]
>>>> 	[TABLE]
>>>> 		[FIELDS]
>>>> 			[FIELD]
>>>> 				[ID, TYPE]
>>>> 		[DATA]
>>>> 			[ID, VALUE]
>>>
>>> Alert! I feel that someone would like to abuse this iface for writing
>>> configuration through. This should be read-only by design. I also think
>>> that this should not be something switch-specific. I believe that NIC
>>> drivers would benefit from this iface as well when they want to expose
>>> something. I think we should use genl for this.
>>>
>>
>> One place where read-only may not make sense is when the tables can
>> be provisioned/configured. Many switches have the ability to be
>> configured with "profiles". For a simple example some hardware use a
>> single table that can be divided into an IPv4 and an IPv6 section.
> 
> Okay. That should be configured via separate configuration Netlink
> interface - ConfNetlink. I already spoke with Dave about need for
> that one: Netlink based, use PCI-addr (other addr) as a handle,
> well-defined config objects. The need to this interface is bigger and bigger.
> 
> I can cook-up some RFC patch so you see what I'm talking about.
> 

Great. I originally buried it in the above API but maybe its best
to keep them separate. I'll take a look at your RFC patches when
they hit the list.
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