netdev - Re: [PATCH] net: ip_finish_output_gso: If skb_gso_network_seglen exceeds MTU, do segmentation even for non IPSKB

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Date:	Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:13:50 +0200
From:	Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de>
To:	Shmulik Ladkani <shmulik.ladkani@...ellosystems.com>
Cc:	Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
	Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@...essinduktion.org>,
	shmulik.ladkani@...il.com, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@...il.com>,
	Tom Herbert <tom@...bertland.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: ip_finish_output_gso: If skb_gso_network_seglen
 exceeds MTU, do segmentation even for non IPSKB_FORWARDED skbs

Shmulik Ladkani <shmulik.ladkani@...ellosystems.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 15:30:17 +0300 Shmulik Ladkani <shmulik.ladkani@...ellosystems.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 11:00:20 +0200 Florian Westphal <fw@...len.de> wrote:
> > > I am worried about this patch, skb_gso_validate_mtu is more costly than
> > > the ->flags & FORWARD check; everyone pays this extra cost.  
> > 
> > I can get back with numbers regarding the impact on local traffic.
> 
> Florian, I've repeatedly tested how this affects locally generated
> traffic and it seems there's no impact (or at least too negligible for
> netperf workload to notice):
> 
> - veth to veth (netns separated), both UFO enabled
> - UDP_RR, with Request Size (udp payload) of 1500, to ensure UFO in place
>   (sender reaches ip_finish_output_gso)
> - Before: stable v4.6.3
> - After:  stable v4.6.3 + suggested fix (kill flags&IPSKB_FORWARDED check)
> 
> # netperf -T1,2 -c -C -L 192.168.13.2 -H 192.168.13.1 -l 20 -I 99,2 -i 10 -t UDP_RR -- -P 10002,10001 -r 1500,1
> 
> MIGRATED UDP REQUEST/RESPONSE TEST from 192.168.13.2 () port 10002 AF_INET to 192.168.13.1 () port 10001 AF_INET : +/-1.000% @ 99% conf.  : demo : first burst 0 : cpu bind
> Local /Remote
> Socket Size   Request Resp.  Elapsed Trans.   CPU    CPU    S.dem   S.dem
> Send   Recv   Size    Size   Time    Rate     local  remote local   remote
> bytes  bytes  bytes   bytes  secs.   per sec  % S    % S    us/Tr   us/Tr
> 
> [before]
> 212992 212992 1500    1      20.00   45368.10   20.56  20.56  18.131  18.131
> [after]
> 212992 212992 1500    1      20.00   45376.09   20.74  20.74  18.287  18.287
> 
> Therefore it seems trying to optimize this by setting IPSKB_FORWARDED
> (or introducing a different mark) in 'iptunnel_xmit' would offer no
> genuine benefit.
> 
> WDYT?

I think that this just shows that on this machine and this workload
there is no impact.  E.g. for sctp we now skb_walk_frags() for
every gso packet.

We also have two more function calls per skb.

> Were you thinking of different workloads that we should assess the
> impact on?

I still think that just marking those packets as being forwarded from
tunnel code is the right thing to do; linux runs on so many platforms
that its very difficult to asses that something "has no overhead".

Long term we should just adjust gso size to not have to do skb software
segmentation anymore.

I remember that Eric Dumazet suggested the same thing back when this
gso forward checking was added but I recall there were corner cases in
the segmentation code that caused BUG_ON crashes.