netdev - Re: [PATCH RFC 11/11] net/mlx5e: XDP TX xmit more

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Date:   Wed, 7 Sep 2016 19:58:50 -0700
From:   John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>
To:     Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@...hat.com>,
        Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@....mellanox.co.il>
Cc:     Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com>,
        Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@...lanox.com>,
        iovisor-dev <iovisor-dev@...ts.iovisor.org>,
        Linux Netdev List <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        Tariq Toukan <tariqt@...lanox.com>,
        Brenden Blanco <bblanco@...mgrid.com>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@...il.com>,
        Tom Herbert <tom@...bertland.com>,
        Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@...com>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Eric Dumazet <edumazet@...gle.com>,
        Jamal Hadi Salim <jhs@...atatu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 11/11] net/mlx5e: XDP TX xmit more

On 16-09-07 11:22 AM, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 19:57:19 +0300 Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@....mellanox.co.il> wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2016-09-07 at 18:08 +0300, Saeed Mahameed wrote:  
>>>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@...il.com> wrote:  
>>>>> On Wed, 2016-09-07 at 15:42 +0300, Saeed Mahameed wrote:  
> [...]
>>>
>>> Only if a qdisc is present and pressure is high enough.
>>>
>>> But in a forwarding setup, we likely receive at a lower rate than the
>>> NIC can transmit.
> 
> Yes, I can confirm this happens in my experiments.
> 
>>>  
>>
>> Jesper has a similar Idea to make the qdisc think it is under
>> pressure, when the device TX ring is idle most of the time, i think
>> his idea can come in handy here. I am not fully involved in the
>> details, maybe he can elaborate more.
>>
>> But if it works, it will be transparent to napi, and xmit more will
>> happen by design.
> 
> Yes. I have some ideas around getting more bulking going from the qdisc
> layer, by having the drivers provide some feedback to the qdisc layer
> indicating xmit_more should be possible.  This will be a topic at the
> Network Performance Workshop[1] at NetDev 1.2, I have will hopefully
> challenge people to come up with a good solution ;-)
> 

One thing I've noticed but haven't yet actually analyzed much is if
I shrink the nic descriptor ring size to only be slightly larger than
the qdisc layer bulking size I get more bulking and better perf numbers.
At least on microbenchmarks. The reason being the nic pushes back more
on the qdisc. So maybe a case for making the ring size in the NIC some
factor of the expected number of queues feeding the descriptor ring.

.John