netdev - Re: Let's do P4

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Date:   Sat, 29 Oct 2016 16:55:32 +0200
From:   Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>
To:     Jakub Kicinski <kubakici@...pl>
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        Maciej Żenczykowski <zenczykowski@...il.com>
Subject: Re: Let's do P4

Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 04:49:03PM CEST, kubakici@...pl wrote:
>On Sat, 29 Oct 2016 09:53:28 +0200, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> The network world is divided into 2 general types of hw:
>> 1) network ASICs - network specific silicon, containing things like TCAM
>>    These ASICs are suitable to be programmed by P4.
>> 2) network processors - basically a general purpose CPUs
>>    These processors are suitable to be programmed by eBPF.
>> 
>> I believe that by now, the most people came to a conclusion that it is
>> very difficult to handle both types by either P4 or eBPF. And since
>> eBPF is part of the kernel, I would like to introduce P4 into kernel
>> as well. Here's a plan:
>> 
>> 1) Define P4 intermediate representation
>>    I cannot imagine loading P4 program (c-like syntax text file) into
>>    kernel as is. That means that as the first step, we need find some
>>    intermediate representation. I can imagine someting in a form of AST,
>>    call it "p4ast". I don't really know how to do this exactly though,
>>    it's just an idea.
>> 
>>    In the end there would be a userspace precompiler for this:
>>    $ makep4ast example.p4 example.ast
>
>Maybe stating the obvious, but IMHO defining the IR is the hardest part.
>eBPF *is* the IR, we can compile C, P4 or even JIT Lua to eBPF.  The
>AST/IR for switch pipelines should allow for similar flexibility.
>Looser coupling would also protect us from changes in spec of the high
>level language.

Agreed. I agree with you point this would be nice to have it done in a
generic way. However, I'm not aware of any other language similar to p4.