netdev - Re: [PATCH 00/51] rtc: stop using rtc deprecated functions

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Date:   Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:35:49 +0100
From:   Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@...linux.org.uk>
To:     David Laight <David.Laight@...LAB.COM>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/51] rtc: stop using rtc deprecated functions

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 09:26:51AM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> From: Russell King - ARM Linux
> > Sent: 20 June 2017 22:16
> ..
> > Consider that at the moment, we define the 32-bit RTC representation to
> > start at a well known epoch.  We _could_ decide that when it wraps to
> > 0x80000000 seconds, we'll define the lower 0x40000000 seconds to mean
> > dates in the future - and keep rolling that forward each time we cross
> > another 0x40000000 seconds.  Unless someone invents a real time machine,
> > we shouldn't need to set a modern RTC back to 1970.
> 
> True, just treating the value as unsigned gives another 67 years.

We _already_ do treat it as an unsigned number, so already the panicing
about 2038 is complete and utter nonsense - that's why I've been
consistently stating the 2106 date.

> If a 32bit RTC is programmed with the low 32bits of the 64bit 'seconds
> since 1970' the kernel should have no real difficulty sorting out the
> high bits from other available information.

Right, but converting all the 32-bit conversion functions to 64-bit
means that rather than "sorting out" that from the core RTC driver,
we have to implement solutions in each and every driver.

While that may appear to be a good idea, many RTCs that are 32-bit
counters do not themselves have additional non-volatile storage, so
it means that we're ending up with a lot of RTC specific hacks to
go and get the additional information from some other driver elsewhere
in the system.

> Problems with things like the x86 bios setting the rtc to stupid values
> are another matter.

Forget x86, the RTC there does not store time as a 32-bit integer, it's
stored as its component values, and there's non-volatile memory attached
to the RTC.  Hence, it's out of scope of "what to do about RTCs that
store time in 32-bit format" and also out of scope of "what to do about
RTC drivers that use the 32-bit time conversion function."

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