Date:   Sat, 30 Dec 2017 14:15:41 -0700
From:   David Ahern <dsa@...ulusnetworks.com>
To:     Yuval Mintz <yuvalm@...lanox.com>,
        Roopa Prabhu <roopa@...ulusnetworks.com>,
        Jiri Pirko <jiri@...nulli.us>,
        Arkadi Sharshevsky <arkadis@...lanox.com>
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Subject: Re: [patch net-next v2 00/10] Add support for resource abstraction

On 12/28/17 1:21 AM, Yuval Mintz wrote:
> I think it goes the other way around. The dpipe tables are the ones that
> can be translated to functionality; The resources are internal and HW-specific
> representing the possible internal division of resources -
> but a given resource sn't necessarily mapped to a single networking feature.
> [It might be in some cases, but not in the general case]

This is what I am getting at -- a single resource /kvd/linear is used
for multiple networking features, and those networking features do map
to well known entities -- fdb entries, ACL entries, ipv4/v6 host
entries, LPM entries, etc.

Nothing about the output from devlink helps the user in any way to
understand how to change the resource values. Saying that these
resources, what they mean and how they are used is MLX proprietary and
is known only to MLX employees and those with MLX agreements is not
acceptable. Likewise, requiring some network admin to deep dive into the
mlxsw driver to piece together how kvd/linear (for example) is used is
not acceptable.

The cover letter touts "Many of the ASIC's internal resources are
limited and are shared between several hardware procedures. For example,
unified hash-based memory can be used for many lookup purposes, like FDB
and LPM. In many cases the user can provide a partitioning scheme for
such a resource in order to perform fine tuning for his application."

Great, now give the user some indication of how to do that. Is setting
/kvd/linear to 0 acceptable? If not, why? What functionality is lost?
(Apparently, everything [1].)

The dpipe tables list some correlation between the kvd resources and
tables but that is not a complete list and again there is nothing to
tell a user that it is only a partial list of how a kvd resource is
used. For example, it shows ipv4 host is in /kvd/hash_single and that is
all it shows. So if I have an ipv6 only deployment can I conclude that I
can set /kvd/hash_single to 0? Or the reverse, can I set hash_double to
0 for an ipv4 only deployment? From the limited information given, it is
reasonable for a user to assume yes and has to learn through trial and
error what can be done. [2]

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[1] This is allowed by the current patch set and perhaps it should not be:

$ ip ro ls vrf vrf1101
unreachable default metric 8192
11.2.51.0/24 dev swp1s0.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.2.51.1 offload
11.3.51.0/24 dev swp1s1.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.3.51.1 offload
11.4.51.0/24 dev swp1s2.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.4.51.1 offload
11.5.51.0/24 dev swp1s3.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.5.51.1 offload
11.6.51.0/24 dev swp3s0.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.6.51.1 offload
11.7.51.0/24 dev swp3s1.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.7.51.1 offload
11.8.51.0/24 dev swp3s2.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.8.51.1 offload
11.9.51.0/24 dev swp3s3.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.9.51.1 offload

$ devlink resource set pci/0000:03:00.0 path /kvd/linear size 0
$ devlink reload pci/0000:03:00.0
$ ip ro ls vrf vrf1101
unreachable default metric 8192

[2] Same exact result for setting hash_double to 0:
$ ip ro ls vrf vrf1101
unreachable default metric 8192
11.2.51.0/24 dev swp1s0.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.2.51.1 offload
11.3.51.0/24 dev swp1s1.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.3.51.1 offload
11.4.51.0/24 dev swp1s2.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.4.51.1 offload
11.5.51.0/24 dev swp1s3.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.5.51.1 offload
11.6.51.0/24 dev swp3s0.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.6.51.1 offload
11.7.51.0/24 dev swp3s1.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.7.51.1 offload
11.8.51.0/24 dev swp3s2.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.8.51.1 offload
11.9.51.0/24 dev swp3s3.51 proto kernel scope link src 11.9.51.1 offload

$ devlink resource set pci/0000:03:00.0 path /kvd/hash_double size 0
$ devlink reload pci/0000:03:00.0
$ ip ro ls vrf vrf1101
unreachable default metric 8192

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