netdev - Re: [PATCH 06/18] x86, barrier: stop speculation for failed access

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite for Android: free password hash cracker in your pocket

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:   Tue, 9 Jan 2018 16:23:48 -0600
From:   Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@...hat.com>
To:     Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
Cc:     Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
        Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
        linux-arch@...r.kernel.org, Andi Kleen <ak@...ux.intel.com>,
        Arnd Bergmann <arnd@...db.de>,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...uxfoundation.org>,
        Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
        Network Development <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@...nel.org>,
        Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
        Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
        Alan Cox <alan@...ux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/18] x86, barrier: stop speculation for failed access_ok

On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 01:59:04PM -0800, Dan Williams wrote:
> > Right, but what's the purpose of preventing speculation past
> > access_ok()?
> 
> Caution. It's the same rationale for the nospec_array_ptr() patches.
> If we, kernel community, can identify any possible speculation past a
> bounds check we should inject a speculation mitigation. Unless there's
> a way to be 100% certain that the first unwanted speculation can be
> turned into a gadget later on in the instruction stream, err on the
> side of shutting it down early.

I'm all for being cautious.  The nospec_array_ptr() patches are fine,
and they make sense in light of the variant 1 CVE.

But that still doesn't answer my question.  I haven't seen *any*
rationale for this patch.  It would be helpful to at least describe
what's being protected against, even if it's hypothetical.  How can we
review it if the commit log doesn't describe its purpose?

-- 
Josh