netdev - Re: [virtio-dev] [RFC PATCH net-next v2 1/2] virtio_net: Introduce VIRTIO_NET_F

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Date:   Mon, 22 Jan 2018 17:37:20 -0800
From:   "Samudrala, Sridhar" <sridhar.samudrala@...el.com>
To:     Stephen Hemminger <stephen@...workplumber.org>
Cc:     "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>,
        Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@...il.com>,
        David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
        Netdev <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
        virtualization@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
        virtio-dev@...ts.oasis-open.org,
        "Brandeburg, Jesse" <jesse.brandeburg@...el.com>,
        "Duyck, Alexander H" <alexander.h.duyck@...el.com>,
        Jakub Kicinski <kubakici@...pl>,
        achiad shochat <achiad.mellanox@...il.com>,
        Achiad Shochat <achiad@...lanox.com>
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] [RFC PATCH net-next v2 1/2] virtio_net: Introduce
 VIRTIO_NET_F_BACKUP feature bit


On 1/22/2018 4:02 PM, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
>
>>>   
>>>> In the case of SwitchDev it
>>>> should be possible for the port representors and the switch to provide
>>>> data on which interfaces are bonded on the host side and which aren't.
>>>> With that data it would be pretty easy to just put together a list of
>>>> addresses that would prefer to go the para-virtual route instead of
>>>> being transmitted through physical hardware.
>>>>
>>>> In addition a bridge implies much more overhead since normally a
>>>> bridge can receive a packet in on one interface and transmit it on
>>>> another. We don't really need that. This is more of a VEPA type setup
>>>> and doesn't need to be anything all that complex. You could probably
>>>> even handle the Tx queue selection via a simple eBPF program and map
>>>> since the input for whatever is used to select Tx should be pretty
>>>> simple, destination MAC, source NUMA node, etc, and the data-set
>>>> shouldn't be too large.
>>> That sounds interesting. A separate device might make this kind of setup
>>> a bit easier.  Sridhar, did you look into creating a separate device for
>>> the virtual bond device at all?  It does not have to be in a separate
>>> module, that kind of refactoring can come later, but once we commit to
>>> using the same single device as virtio, we can't change that.
>> No. I haven't looked into creating a separate device. If we are going to
>> create a new
>> device, i guess it has to be of a new device type with its own driver.
>>
>> As we are using virtio_net to control and manage the VF data path, it is
>> not clear to me
>> what is the advantage of creating a new device rather than extending
>> virtio_net to manage
>> the VF datapath via transparent bond mechanism.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sridhar
>>
>>
> The requirement with Azure accelerated network was that a stock distribution image from the
> store must be able to run unmodified and get accelerated networking.
> Not sure if other environments need to work the same, but it would be nice.
>
> That meant no additional setup scripts (aka no bonding) and also it must
> work transparently with hot-plug. Also there are diverse set of environments:
> openstack, cloudinit, network manager and systemd. The solution had to not depend
> on any one of them, but also not break any of them.
Yes. Cloud Service Providers using KVM as hypervisor have a similar 
requirement to provide accelerated
networking with VM images that support virtio_net.

Thanks
Sridhar