netdev - Re: [RFC net-next 11/14] tun: run XDP program in tx path

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Date:   Thu, 19 Dec 2019 10:44:27 +0800
From:   Jason Wang <jasowang@...hat.com>
To:     David Ahern <dsahern@...il.com>,
        Toke Høiland-Jørgensen 
        <toke@...hat.com>, Jesper Dangaard Brouer <jbrouer@...hat.com>,
        Prashant Bhole <prashantbhole.linux@...il.com>
Cc:     "David S . Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
        "Michael S . Tsirkin" <mst@...hat.com>,
        Alexei Starovoitov <ast@...nel.org>,
        Daniel Borkmann <daniel@...earbox.net>,
        Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@...nel.org>,
        Jakub Kicinski <jakub.kicinski@...ronome.com>,
        John Fastabend <john.fastabend@...il.com>,
        Toshiaki Makita <toshiaki.makita1@...il.com>,
        Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@...com>,
        Song Liu <songliubraving@...com>, Yonghong Song <yhs@...com>,
        Andrii Nakryiko <andriin@...com>, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
        Ilias Apalodimas <ilias.apalodimas@...aro.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC net-next 11/14] tun: run XDP program in tx path


On 2019/12/19 上午12:33, David Ahern wrote:
> On 12/18/19 4:48 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>> Jesper Dangaard Brouer <jbrouer@...hat.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 17:10:47 +0900
>>> Prashant Bhole <prashantbhole.linux@...il.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +static u32 tun_do_xdp_tx(struct tun_struct *tun, struct tun_file *tfile,
>>>> +			 struct xdp_frame *frame)
>>>> +{
>>>> +	struct bpf_prog *xdp_prog;
>>>> +	struct tun_page tpage;
>>>> +	struct xdp_buff xdp;
>>>> +	u32 act = XDP_PASS;
>>>> +	int flush = 0;
>>>> +
>>>> +	xdp_prog = rcu_dereference(tun->xdp_tx_prog);
>>>> +	if (xdp_prog) {
>>>> +		xdp.data_hard_start = frame->data - frame->headroom;
>>>> +		xdp.data = frame->data;
>>>> +		xdp.data_end = xdp.data + frame->len;
>>>> +		xdp.data_meta = xdp.data - frame->metasize;
>>> You have not configured xdp.rxq, thus a BPF-prog accessing this will crash.
>>>
>>> For an XDP TX hook, I want us to provide/give BPF-prog access to some
>>> more information about e.g. the current tx-queue length, or TC-q number.
>>>
>>> Question to Daniel or Alexei, can we do this and still keep BPF_PROG_TYPE_XDP?
>>> Or is it better to introduce a new BPF prog type (enum bpf_prog_type)
>>> for XDP TX-hook ?
>> I think a new program type would make the most sense. If/when we
>> introduce an XDP TX hook[0], it should have different semantics than the
>> regular XDP hook. I view the XDP TX hook as a hook that executes as the
>> very last thing before packets leave the interface. It should have
>> access to different context data as you say, but also I don't think it
>> makes sense to have XDP_TX and XDP_REDIRECT in an XDP_TX hook. And we
>> may also want to have a "throttle" return code; or maybe that could be
>> done via a helper?
> XDP_TX does not make sense in the Tx path. Jason questioned whether
> XDP_RX makes sense. There is not a clear use case just yet.


XDP_RX can chain TX XDP program and RX XDP program on the same interface.

Thanks


>
> REDIRECT is another one that would be useful as you point out below.
>
> A new program type would allow support for these to be added over time
> and not hold up the ability to do XDP_DROP in the Tx path.
>
>> In any case, I don't think this "emulated RX hook on the other end of a
>> virtual device" model that this series introduces is the right semantics
>> for an XDP TX hook. I can see what you're trying to do, and for virtual
>> point-to-point links I think it may make sense to emulate the RX hook of
>> the "other end" on TX. However, form a UAPI perspective, I don't think
>> we should be calling this a TX hook; logically, it's still an RX hook
>> on the receive end.
>>
>> If you guys are up for evolving this design into a "proper" TX hook (as
>> outlined above an in [0]), that would be awesome, of course. But not
>> sure what constraints you have on your original problem? Do you
>> specifically need the "emulated RX hook for unmodified XDP programs"
>> semantics, or could your problem be solved with a TX hook with different
>> semantics?
>>
>> -Toke
>>
>>
>> [0] We've suggested this in the past, see
>> https://github.com/xdp-project/xdp-project/blob/master/xdp-project.org#xdp-hook-at-tx
>>