bugtraq - Re: Cracking preshared keys

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Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20030424204127.02c7da90@172.31.1.10>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 20:46:21 +0100
From: Michael Thumann <mthumann@...w.de>
To: Gary Flynn <flynngn@....edu>
Subject: Re: Cracking preshared keys


To get the XAUTH based authentication information (that is the part where 
the RADIUS Server is involved) you must start a man in the middle attack 
and this MITM attack is only possible when you've already cracked the 
preconfigured preshared key and when you are in physical position to 
perform a MITM attack (that's really not too easy).

Hope that helps ;-

At 21:10 23.04.03 -0400, Gary Flynn wrote:
>Damir Rajnovic wrote:
>
>>Please note that the same class of attack is possible even if Xauth 
>>(Extended Authentication) is used. This is because Xauth is performed 
>>after Phase 1 is completed and, for this attack, an adversary
>>needs only a packet from Phase 1. Furthermore, after the pre-shared key 
>>has been discovered, an adversary can mount an active MiTM attack
>>on Xauth. The outcome depends on the exact authentication method used
>>in Xauth.
>May I ask how this applies to "IKE Shared Secret AAA"?
>If a Radius backend authenticator is used, is the shared key
>that is vulnerable one preconfigured in the VPN hosts or one
>based on the Radius password? The reason I ask is that the
>preconfigured shared key can easily be lengthened but the
>backend password, if based on end user passwords, is not
>as easy a solution. :)
>
>Thank you.
>
>Gary Flynn
>Security Engineer - James Madison University
>


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