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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:09:53 -0600 (CST)
From: Ron DuFresne <>
   full-disclosure people <>,
   "Thomas M. Payerle" <>
Subject: Re: Re: Funny article


> What Thomas also overlooks is the fact that security is not an add-on,
> it is a goal which is reached by concept.

Actually, security is in fact an 'add-on' a 'shim', which makes all in the
info-sec realm akin to remodelers.  Had TCP/IP a prime focus upon
security this might be a different matter as you suggest, but, such is/was
not the case.  And since most programs and the processes that brought them
into being by their creators do not put security at the forefront of the
design/programming process, applications tend to mimick the TCP/IP model.

So, we remodel, shim and retrofit <smile>.

The carpentry of IT...


Ron DuFresne
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