bugtraq - Re: Anti-MS drivel

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Message-ID: <1074363702.40097d364b470@www.mihailescu.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:21:42 -0500
From: Luca Mihailescu <luca@...ailescu.net>
To: support@...cman.com
Cc: "'Mary Landesman'" <mlande@...lsouth.net>,
   "'David F. Skoll'" <dfs@...ringpenguin.com>, tlarholm@...x.com,
   bugtraq@...urityfocus.com, ntbugtraq@...tserv.ntbugtraq.com,
   full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: Re: Anti-MS drivel



David,

Your company is obivously a "geek" friendly enviroment where not using m$
products is ok and not a business requirement.But when you have tons of
presentations monthly where the client is only using Powerpoint ( and only
powerpoint because it's working for him ) , using OpenOffice it's NOT an
option.Same goes for the rest of office products.
We have around 600 desktops running a mix of win 2k/ xp pro and maybe 50
servers
running 2k server and 2k3 server.We use a checkpoint fw and symantec corporate
edition for antivir.
Last time I've seen a server infected was 3 years ago ( one nt machine
everybody
forgot about got owned using unicode exploit ).As for virii we NEVER had an
infection.
It all boils down to keeping an eye on what's out there in terms of exploits
and
being pro-active.And don't give the "we dont have enough manpower to deal with
all the windows exploits" stuff.
I dont even remember when was the last time i had to go to a machine and
install
a patch ( we're using software update services for that - does a good job and
it's free ). The antivirus server is deploying updated virus def files as soon
is it gets any...and so on.
Ah, and the mail server strips any "funny" mail attachments.

Luca.





Quoting "Edward W. Ray" <support@...cman.com>:

> Mary:
> 
> Cisco at least has competition.  Juniper Networks has about a 25% share of
> the router market, which keeps Cisco honest.  Microsoft has almost market
> penetration at the desktop for both the home and business.  IMHO, they
> deserve all the anti-MS drivel people can dish out.  I will tire of it when
> I don't have to spend an hour each month clearing my firewall logs of
> attempted Code Red and Nimda infection attempts
> 
> Edward W. Ray  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
> [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Mary Landesman
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:55 AM
> To: David F. Skoll; tlarholm@...x.com
> Cc: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com; ntbugtraq@...tserv.ntbugtraq.com;
> full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help
> the cause
> 
> That's pretty much like teaching your kids to never talk to strangers, or
> never visit the "bad" part of town. Fact is, most crimes are committed by
> people we know. Microsoft is often victimized, mainly because they are so
> ubiquitous. Cisco is running a poll right now to see which of the 17
> critical patches are most important to users, because they only have the
> manpower to fix 10 of them. Should we all stop using Cisco products?
> 
> This anti-MS drivel is so tiresome.
> 
> -- Mary
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David F. Skoll" <dfs@...ringpenguin.com>
> To: <tlarholm@...x.com>
> Cc: <bugtraq@...urityfocus.com>; <ntbugtraq@...tserv.ntbugtraq.com>;
> <full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:06 PM
> Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help the
> cause
> 
> 
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 tlarholm@...x.com wrote:
> 
> > I just wanted to remind everybody that tomorrow is Personal Firewall Day.
> > http://www.personalfirewallday.org/
> 
> That Web site is utterly disingenuous.  Rather than giving low-value
> information, how about high-value information that actually protects people:
> 
> 1) Don't use Windows.
> 2) Don't use Outlook.
> 
> Our company uses neither Windows nor Outlook, and although we do have a
> firewall, we do not use anti-virus software.
> 
> Of course, the sponsors of the site (Microsoft and a bunch of anti-virus
> vendors) can hardly see it as being in their interest to actually create
> a secure computing environment.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David.
> 
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