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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:51:41 -0800
From: Andre Ludwig <ALudwig@...fingroup.com>
To: "'tlarholm@...x.com'" <tlarholm@...x.com>,
   ge@...tistical.reprehensible.net, bugtraq@...urityfocus.com
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: RE: RE: W2K source "leaked"?


I am still up in the air on if this is legit or not. If it is yes the bar
has been lowered for simple exploits. It will also have the effect of
empowering those skilled individuals into creative and more advanced attacks
and exploits against the windows platform.  From the source file listings
floating around on the net it looks legit, but i doubt it is the entire
source tree most likely a branch or two.  Been told that the .zip file is
only 300 mb or so compressed. Which is no where near the size of the
reported win2k source tree (50gb or so) as reported here.

http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix-win2000/invitedtalks/lucovsky_html/sld01
5.htm

Andre Ludwig CISSP



-----Original Message-----
From: tlarholm@...x.com [mailto:tlarholm@...x.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:59 PM
To: ge@...tistical.reprehensible.net; bugtraq@...urityfocus.com
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: [Full-Disclosure] RE: W2K source "leaked"?


This is not the first time that people have reported leaked copies of
Windows source code. In 2000, Wired News reported that the source code
for Whistler (now Windows XP) had been leaked, though they never
confirmed it.

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,35135,00.html

WinBeta is also reporting on the new leak

http://www.winbeta.org/winbeta/forums/index.php?showtopic=2663&st=0&#ent
ry9449

0-day exploits being used on Microsofts network, foul play by privileged
partners or a hoax? Let's see what Microsoft reports.



Regards

Thor Larholm
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gadi Evron [mailto:ge@...tistical.reprehensible.net] 
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:49 PM
To: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com; Thor Larholm
Subject: W2K source "leaked"?


A couple of days ago a friend of mine drew my attention to the source 
making rounds on the encrypted p2p networks, I was hoping it would take 
a bit longer for it to be "out", but that was just day-dreaming.

Thor Larholm just gave me this URL, as you can notice, the server is
busy: http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=17509

I never believed in 0-days. "New" or more to the point 
un-known-to-the-public exploits and vulnerabilities exist and are being 
used.
In my opinion "0-days" virtually don't exist. It's usually either some 
vulnerability that is long known and a COP or a worm is created. Or 
exploits that will nearly never see the "public" but exist and are used 
by few individuals.. but now... I don't know.

How often does a brand new exploit come out without prior warning and
"attack" the net?

*If* this really is the.. _real_ source code for W2K (and according to 
the article NT4 as well).... we'll see what happens next.

People didn't need help finding vulnerabilities in Windows before, but 
it just became a whole lot easier and a lot less demanding on the "m4d 
#4x0r 5k111z".

I can't really say that the article is right and the source was "leaked"

or "stolen". The source is being sold/given (?) for years now to EDU's 
and commercial companies for research purposes (not to mention China..).

I suppose foul play is always possible.

Can anyone confirm this is the real source code? How about a press 
release? :)

	Gadi Evron

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