bugtraq - RE: Question About Ethics and Full Disclosure

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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:26:16 -0700
From: "Drew Copley" <dcopley@...e.com>
To: <jsklein@...dspring.com>, "Kevin E. Casey" <kcasey@...oweb.com>,
	<tommy@...videsecurity.com>, <frogman@...osecwar.net>
Cc: <bugtraq@...urityfocus.com>, <security-basics@...urityfocus.com>,
	<vuln-dev@...urityfocus.com>, <webappsec@...urityfocus.com>
Subject: RE: Question About Ethics and Full Disclosure


 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Klein [mailto:jsklein@...dspring.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:12 AM
> To: 'Kevin E. Casey'; tommy@...videsecurity.com; 
> frogman@...osecwar.net
> Cc: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com; 
> security-basics@...urityfocus.com; 
> vuln-dev@...urityfocus.com; webappsec@...urityfocus.com
> Subject: RE: Question About Ethics and Full Disclosure
> 
> Below is an outline for my disclosure process.
> 
> 
> Vulnerability Found:
> 
> 1. E-Mail & Call company about finding 
> 	- Document vulnerability
> 	- Document date/time/who you talked to.
> 	- Provide an 'ethical disclosure' reporting deadline 
> 		- one to nine months, depending on the vulnerability
> 	- Inform them you will be reporting them to www.cert.org and
> www.us-cert.gov 
> 
> 2. Report Vulnerability to:
> 	A. www.cert.org :
> http://www.cert.org/reporting/vulnerability_form.txt
> 	B. www.us-cert.gov : cert@...t.org
> 
> ----
> Vulnerability is addressed - day upgrade/patch is released
> 
> 1. Disclose to your favorite list/lists
> 	- Disclose your process
> 	- Disclose your due diligence
> 		- communication to/from company
> 		- posting to cert.org and us-cert.gov
> 	- Disclose the vulnerability
> 
> ----
> Vulnerability not addressed - one to nine months
> 
> 1. E-Mail & Call company
> 	- Documentation of vulnerability
> 	- Documentation of your due diligence
> 		- reporting communication to/from company
> 		- reporting to cert.org and us-cert.gov
> 	- Provide date of disclosure
> 
> Day of Disclosure:
> 
> 1. Disclose to your favorite list/lists
> 	- Disclose your process
> 	- Disclose your due diligence
> 		- communication to/from company
> 		- posting to cert.org and us-cert.gov
> 	- Disclose the vulnerability
> 
> 
> Opinions?

We reported a vulnerability to CERT and it got leaked (the XDR
vulnerability). They have had other leaks as well. Love some of their
papers, though.  

We have never had problems reporting just to the vendor... well, except
the obvious ones... ;) But, workable problems.



> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin E. Casey [mailto:kcasey@...oweb.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:31 PM
> To: tommy@...videsecurity.com; frogman@...osecwar.net
> Cc: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com; security-basics@...urityfocus.com;
> vuln-dev@...urityfocus.com; webappsec@...urityfocus.com
> Subject: RE: Question About Ethics and Full Disclosure
> 
> 
> Try calling the sales department for the shopping cart vendor.  Tell
> them you hard about the 2 vulnerabilities, thll them that 
> when they are
> fixed, you might perhaps buy their product...  Sales motivates
> development... Or at the least might get you to a person at the vendor
> who cares.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom [mailto:tommy@...videsecurity.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:43 PM
> To: frogman@...osecwar.net
> Cc: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com; security-basics@...urityfocus.com;
> vuln-dev@...urityfocus.com; webappsec@...urityfocus.com
> Subject: Question About Ethics and Full Disclosure
> 
> 
> I have sat on 2 vulnerabilities for a shopping cart for over 
> a year and
> nothing has changed.  Now I have found a 3rd with new 
> services added to
> this shopping cart. 
> 
> I have emailed support several times but NEVER get a response. As a
> security professional and not to be Unethical what would be a
> recommended path to follow?
> 	
> * Notify their customers (several 100)
> * Notify the Payment Gateways they are Authorized to use (VeriSign,
> PayPal, Authorize.NET)
> * Be a total A** and just release it to all the mailing lists and at
> DEFCON
> 
> BTW...I have sent several emails to various parts of VeriSign 
> and NOBODY
> has responded as to the proper person to notify within the 
> organization
> about this. I chose VeriSign because this cart is at the Top of Their
> List!
> 
> IF anyone knows who to contact from VeriSign, authorize.net and PayPal
> about this please email me directly.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tom Ryan
>