bugtraq - Re: /dev/random is probably not

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Message-ID: <4F173C9C-4140-4FF2-B447-36F9820E11FE@tallence.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 22:27:25 +0200
From: Stefan Bethke <s.bethke@...lence.com>
To: Kai Howells <kai.howells@...rp.com.au>
Cc: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com
Subject: Re: /dev/random is probably not


Am 07.07.2005 um 02:53 schrieb Kai Howells:

[ Mac OS X entropy pool being periodically saved to a file and used  
on boot to prime the PRNG ]

> Now this raises some interesting issues - such as where is the  
> entropy written to, and how much does this pool of entropy set the  
> state of the RNG after bootup - ie, if an attacker had control of  
> this file, could they influence the RNG in a deterministic fashion  
> after forcing a reboot?

$ ls -l /private/var/db/SystemEntropyCache
-rw-------   1 root  wheel  20 Jul  8 21:59 /private/var/db/ 
SystemEntropyCache

If an attacker can manipulate this file, he probably has much more  
effective tools to control the system...

FreeBSD 5 uses a similiar mechanism:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi? 
query=random&apropos=0&sektion=4&manpath=FreeBSD+5.4-stable&format=html

$ sudo ls -la /var/db/entropy
total 20
drwx------  2 operator  operator   512 Jul  8 22:22 .
drwxr-xr-x  8 root      wheel      512 Jul  8 22:21 ..
-r--------  1 operator  operator  2048 Jul  8 22:22 saved-entropy.1
-r--------  1 operator  operator  2048 Jul  8 22:11 saved-entropy.2
-r--------  1 operator  operator  2048 Jul  8 22:00 saved-entropy.3
-r--------  1 operator  operator  2048 Jul  8 21:55 saved-entropy.4
-r--------  1 operator  operator  2048 Jul  8 21:44 saved-entropy.5
-r--------  1 operator  operator  2048 Jul  8 21:33 saved-entropy.6
-r--------  1 operator  operator  2048 Jul  8 21:22 saved-entropy.7
-r--------  1 operator  operator  2048 Jul  8 21:11 saved-entropy.8


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