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Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:39:23 -0400
From: Technica Forensis <forensis.technica@...il.com>
To: jasonc@...ence.org
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, bugtraq@...urityfocus.com,
	Thierry@...ff-em.com
Subject: Re: Re: Help put a stop to incompetent computer
	forensics


> From:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_horse_%28computing%29
> 
> In practice, Trojan Horses in the wild do contain spying functions (such
> as a Packet sniffer) or backdoor functions that allow a computer,
> unbeknownst to the owner, to be remotely controlled remotely from the
> network, creating a "zombie_computer". Because Trojan horses often have
> these harmful functions, there often arises the misunderstanding that
> such functions define a Trojan Horse.

Jason, you just posted a quote that contradicts your stance.  You are
now officially fighting yourself.
This quote says exactly what Thierry has been telling you: 
"In practice, Trojan Horses in the wild do contain [[the stuff Jason
said they do]].  Because Trojan horses often [[do the things Jason
said they do]], there often arises the misunderstanding that [[Jason's
definition]] define[s] a Trojan Horse."

This last sentence is saying that people often think that since a
trojan is often a backdoor that all trojans are backdoors, when in
fact the definition of a trojan is much broader.
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